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What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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I don't know how much experience you have with babies, yes they cry for a reason. Sometimes that reason is they need/want something, sometimes it is because they are gassy and their stomach hurts. Sometimes it is because they are tired, in which case it may be preferential to help them learn that they should sleep when tired and not cry and keep themselves awake. Also you talk about parental selfishness. Parents have…

Of course, but this is talking about extreme cases. Co-sleeping and sleep training are day-to-day instead.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Co-sleeping has much more of a basis in human history. The challenge is transitioning.

My wife and I co-sleep with our kids (2 & 4). I get just about a full sleep every night. If the kids wake up I imagine it's much less work to roll over and cuddle with them as opposed to getting out of bed, going to a separate room and then comforting them. Co-sleeping gets bonus points for giving me just a little extra sweet time with my kids, because before I know it they will be older and wanting their own space.…

We co-slept with all three kids and caught flak for it from the pediatrician. She was certain that one or both parents were going to roll over onto the kids and squish them. Very pleased we did it, but you may have to stand your ground with well-meaning but ignorant people.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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A defenseless child wants nothing more than to sleep next to their parent. Everyone sleeps better.

They also want a steady stream of cookies and iPad games and to be able to climb on high dangerous objects but maybe we shouldn’t indulge every want of a child.

That's a way older kid than a baby though

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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A defenseless child wants nothing more than to sleep next to their parent. Everyone sleeps better.

> Everyone sleeps better. Did you ever sleep next to an infant?

Yes, got 9 hours of sleep/day (interrupted by diaper change, sure) vs the initial 2/week

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Unless the baby gets caught in the covers or rolled upon during the night. Every approach likely has some pros and cons, so barring randomized and reproduced trials I take all claims as unproven.

Yes if you’re obese or inebriated then you shouldn’t sleep next to a baby, but in those cases you’re better off abstaining from food and drink for your own sake anyway.

Sure, but even if you're not these things still happen. To normal, healthy, reasonable people.

They don't happen to people who don't co-sleep.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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My wife and I co-sleep with our kids (2 & 4). I get just about a full sleep every night. If the kids wake up I imagine it's much less work to roll over and cuddle with them as opposed to getting out of bed, going to a separate room and then comforting them. Co-sleeping gets bonus points for giving me just a little extra sweet time with my kids, because before I know it they will be older and wanting their own space.…

Forgive me here; I'm approaching this from a place of ignorance and curiosity, and I hope I don't overstep any personal boundaries - both for you and myself! My wife and I had many reasons for why we ultimately chose not to co-sleep. One of those reasons was our sex life. I don't pretend to know what the "norm"/average is, but it's frequent for us, 3-4 times per week, and at the risk of TMI, it can be fairly... invol…

The average is about once per week: https://www.prevention.com/sex/relationships/a24846275/how-o...

From personal experience: after we had kids, sex became a lot more about opportunity than any particular place (our bed) and time (at night). It was that way for a while. Now, they're a little more grown up, and things are the way they were before. Everything is a phase.

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Forgive me here; I'm approaching this from a place of ignorance and curiosity, and I hope I don't overstep any personal boundaries - both for you and myself! My wife and I had many reasons for why we ultimately chose not to co-sleep. One of those reasons was our sex life. I don't pretend to know what the "norm"/average is, but it's frequent for us, 3-4 times per week, and at the risk of TMI, it can be fairly... invol…

The average is about once per week: https://www.prevention.com/sex/relationships/a24846275/how-o... From personal experience: after we had kids, sex became a lot more about opportunity than any particular place (our bed) and time (at night). It was that way for a while. Now, they're a little more grown up, and things are the way they were before. Everything is a phase.

Makes sense, and your point about opportunity seems obvious in hindsight. I appreciate the response. :)

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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I'm more interested in the long-term psychological effects of sleep training and how it affects a child's perception of "secure attachment" [1]. We sleep trained our oldest and did not our youngest and their personalities couldn't be more different. Of course, this may be entirely unrelated, but it's still something my wife and I have wondered about as we've learned more about it. [1] https://www.betterhelp.com/advic…

It's important to understand that the attachment theory was developed to explain why children of drug addicts are so messed up. It was then expanded to children who suffered other kinds of abuse. When you try to expand attachment theory to try to understand healthy kids in non abusive situations the effect size is usually smaller than the experimental noise.

>attachment theory was developed to explain why children of drug addicts are so messed up

Citation? As far as I know, the roots of Attachment Theory are in the World War II work of John Bowlby, investigating the effects of children separated from their parents when major cities were evacuated during the Blitz.

It is much later that the association of insecure attachment and addiction was scrutinized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bowlby

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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My wife and I co-sleep with our kids (2 & 4). I get just about a full sleep every night. If the kids wake up I imagine it's much less work to roll over and cuddle with them as opposed to getting out of bed, going to a separate room and then comforting them. Co-sleeping gets bonus points for giving me just a little extra sweet time with my kids, because before I know it they will be older and wanting their own space.…

Forgive me here; I'm approaching this from a place of ignorance and curiosity, and I hope I don't overstep any personal boundaries - both for you and myself! My wife and I had many reasons for why we ultimately chose not to co-sleep. One of those reasons was our sex life. I don't pretend to know what the "norm"/average is, but it's frequent for us, 3-4 times per week, and at the risk of TMI, it can be fairly... invol…

I'm not the person you are replying to, but my kids often find their way into our room before we get there. We usually just move them back to their own beds. If they come back on their own, it's usually not until much later after we've had time to ourselves. My kids go in phases, for a few weeks they will come in every night, then for seemly no reason, they won't come again for a month or so. However with 3 kids, they can't sync that schedule so we more often than not have a kid in our bed.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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My wife and I co-sleep with our kids (2 & 4). I get just about a full sleep every night. If the kids wake up I imagine it's much less work to roll over and cuddle with them as opposed to getting out of bed, going to a separate room and then comforting them. Co-sleeping gets bonus points for giving me just a little extra sweet time with my kids, because before I know it they will be older and wanting their own space.…

We co-slept with all three kids and caught flak for it from the pediatrician. She was certain that one or both parents were going to roll over onto the kids and squish them. Very pleased we did it, but you may have to stand your ground with well-meaning but ignorant people.

My wife looked into this and I think the safety issue is mostly a myth. I think the rare cases of child deaths while co-sleeping were when the parent was drunk or smoking in the bed and caused a fire.
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