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AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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With cryptographic signatures I could at least verify that something stems from the same account that I previously agreed with, but this would require people to be able to manage their own private keys. Actually nothing would stop people from signing their own comments today and sometimes it is done. With e2ee messengers I feel pretty confident that a message comes from the right / real person after I verified their…

> but this would require people to be able to manage their own private keys a few generations ago social networking would have seemed infeasible because it would require wide spread literacy (along with many other reasons of course). widespread private key management doesn't seem that infeasible to me.

I agree. Key management can be learned (but still has to be learned). I think that cryptocurrency made the biggest impact in this area so far.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…

> I'd be happy to pay a fee to become a member of a community with vetted participants

You better start believing in vetted online communities Miss Turner, you're in one!

It may not be vetting by moderators, but HN's dated frontend definitely acts as a forcefield against many kinds of people.

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> but even if that hits us tomorrow, the amount of raw power that's been unlocked in the last year alone – the tech that's already here – already has the potential to change things in massive waves. If this is about ChatGPT, we should remember that it is not available in a way that you can build your business applications on top of it in any reliable or meaningful way. It is a very powerful demo of what AI can do, bu…

Still, it will be replicated, then optimized, and eventually cost pennies to run.

The writing is on the wall.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…

> I'd be happy to pay a fee to become a member of a community with vetted participants You better start believing in vetted online communities Miss Turner, you're in one! It may not be vetting by moderators, but HN's dated frontend definitely acts as a forcefield against many kinds of people.

I feel like Lobsters has better quality discourse nowadays though, due to its much more explicit vetting system. I am not part of that website, yet I love reading the comment section there.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…

I've long had a theory that services that demand an upfront payment for an ongoing service will find the payment works against their growth goals and remove it. For example, businesses that involve $$$ reusable delivery containers don't work well because they want to give first-time customers a discount not a surcharge . Whatsapp was ridiculously cheap - something like $1/year - but they still decided that worked aga…

>will find the payment works against their growth goals and remove it

Their mistake is having growth as a goal rather than a happy community.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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I can imagine a future where it's quite easy to fake real people. By gathering information, pictures and maybe even videos of a person, you might be able to deep fake a credible video of them. It might know their address and use pictures and Streetview material to have them "record" a video from their house. That means that a clever script would be able to figure out who a persons real friends are (that info is easil…

That's a neat thing I kinda want to do right before dying, just taking all of my chat data I can get my hands on, retraining a chatbot on it and have it become the final version of me that can exist for as long as people want it around (aka pay for the server and gpu instance lol).

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd be happy to pay a fee to become a member of a community with vetted participants You better start believing in vetted online communities Miss Turner, you're in one! It may not be vetting by moderators, but HN's dated frontend definitely acts as a forcefield against many kinds of people.

I feel like Lobsters has better quality discourse nowadays though, due to its much more explicit vetting system. I am not part of that website, yet I love reading the comment section there.

What is this? My Google-fu is weak.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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I've long had a theory that services that demand an upfront payment for an ongoing service will find the payment works against their growth goals and remove it. For example, businesses that involve $$$ reusable delivery containers don't work well because they want to give first-time customers a discount not a surcharge . Whatsapp was ridiculously cheap - something like $1/year - but they still decided that worked aga…

> $5-to-join social network if those site could convince important/popular people for exclusivity, they could pull it off; i imagine it can work like spotify exclusive podcasts, or some such, since most people don't actually produce content, but consume.

I feel like twitter is trying to do this? $8/mo for premium members, all the celebrities are there already.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like Lobsters has better quality discourse nowadays though, due to its much more explicit vetting system. I am not part of that website, yet I love reading the comment section there.

What is this? My Google-fu is weak.

lobste.rs is what I can find. Likely tries to make its SEO as bad as possible to avoid discovery, which is kinda funny.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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This is why I quit social media years ago. There is no difference between a stream of posts from strangers and a stream of posts from bots. What I care is interaction with friends and FB wouldn't give it to me or not as effectively as WhatsApp and Telegram. So I ended up with WhatsApp groups and Telegram channels where I know first hand most of the people or more rarely I'm at one hop from them. The only place where…

So does this mean you wouldn’t qualify HN as social media?

Reddit and HN are more in the subgroup of what you could call antisocial media.
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