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AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by vishnugupta »

Sometime ago I began wondering along similar lines as the author, not that deeper level of course but noodling around.

I think the internet will soon be clogged with bots competing with other bots just to get a few seconds of human attention. At that point the operational cost of bot farms will outstrip the benefit and so we’ll settle something like 60-70% bots maybe?

Speaking of myself I’ve gone back to reading and enjoying physical books after being on kindle for close to a decade. I never thought I’d go back to physical books but now a days reading on kindle feels a bit too lifeless so to speak, so here we are.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by czzr »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #69
Jiro wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AI could comment as well as a human until it gets to its payload, which is a scam. People will vote it down after they get taken in by the scam, which is too late. Or maybe not even then, if the payload isn't a scam per se, but something that's deliberately designed by the AI's developer to be slanted. A million AIs that are indistinguishable from humans but occasionally throw in a comment about how they got sick…

>People will vote it down after they get taken in by the scam, which is too late. Not too late to create training data by which the social media platform can detect and remove subsequent scams. Especially if they 'report' rather than downvote. >A million AIs that are indistinguishable from humans but occasionally throw in a comment about how they got sick from Pepsi could make things very profitable for the Coca-Cola…

The ability to generate nonsense/noise at immense scale for essentially zero cost.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

#93

Post by prox »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #85
prox wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, AI is like that long flash intro you couldn’t skip in the early website days. Just annoying enough to disrupt any actual commentary (aka true exchange of ideas)

Flash intros eventually went away, presumably because websites without them were more successful. So your argument appears to imply that humans will still be more successful on social media than AIs?

No argument pro or against, I honestly don’t know. The point being that it will be annoying enough to get rid of it (in some places at least)

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by chii »

michaelt wrote: post #89
angarg12 wrote: post #25

Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…

I've long had a theory that services that demand an upfront payment for an ongoing service will find the payment works against their growth goals and remove it. For example, businesses that involve $$$ reusable delivery containers don't work well because they want to give first-time customers a discount not a surcharge . Whatsapp was ridiculously cheap - something like $1/year - but they still decided that worked aga…

> $5-to-join social network

if those site could convince important/popular people for exclusivity, they could pull it off; i imagine it can work like spotify exclusive podcasts, or some such, since most people don't actually produce content, but consume.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by seydor »

wkat4242 wrote: post #70
seydor wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't so much about vetting participants than about moderating the discourse , which is hard to do right, and usually relegated to the few people who are willing to do it for free , which is bad quality (like reddit) Ai can be used to moderate discussions however , if it is trained to remove low effort in an unbiased way

I don't think the discussion between carefully vetted participants needs to be moderated. We go for moderation too quickly these days. Of course if someone goes crazy they should be banned but in less extreme scenarios a well chosen group should behave, just like it's but necessary to moderate a social gathering in real life.

but it s exclusionary which defeats the purpose of the internet as an open forum

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by seydor »

eru wrote: post #58
seydor wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't so much about vetting participants than about moderating the discourse , which is hard to do right, and usually relegated to the few people who are willing to do it for free , which is bad quality (like reddit) Ai can be used to moderate discussions however , if it is trained to remove low effort in an unbiased way

Why does it need to be 'unbiased'? This would work as well: > Ai can be used to moderate discussions however , if it is trained to remove low effort [or otherwise undesirable content]?

OK, but i wouldn't participate in such discussion. i believe most people like to keep their minds open to ideas

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by seydor »

notadev wrote: post #51
seydor wrote: post #23

The internet is not limited to Social networks. The "Market for lemons" has existed for decade, google is a market for lemons where people buy from SEO spam, Google assistant , Siri , amazon are also. The logging off is a pipe dream for some people, even though they know that humans are informational creatures and that the "offline world" has never lived up to the desirable one since the time books were invented. Doo…

Can you elaborate on what you mean by doom and gloom being the real problem? Are you saying it’s more of a perception issue that can be changed by the user?

No i mean things like, this article: That AI is so bad that people will want to run away. As far as i m concerned AI is a positive and desirable change in the world

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

clnq wrote: post #76
seydor wrote: post #23

The internet is not limited to Social networks. The "Market for lemons" has existed for decade, google is a market for lemons where people buy from SEO spam, Google assistant , Siri , amazon are also. The logging off is a pipe dream for some people, even though they know that humans are informational creatures and that the "offline world" has never lived up to the desirable one since the time books were invented. Doo…

The internet is full of lemons, not only social media, SEO-influenced services, and services where money buys you reach. If you take any popular medical fact (for example, about diets), you will find countless published academic articles supporting and against it. This extends into other fields like physics, sociology, and politics too. But the contradictions there (while present) are not as overtly visible. Many pop…

I am interested to see which social media platforms double down on welcoming ai generated content and catering to the remaining users that prefer addictive content to social connection.

This is speculative but we may see a very strong pivot from the "social" aspect to the addictive content aspect in publicly listed social media companies in order to continue to appease shareholders, which could, possibly, accelerate this potential reemphasis on real world communication and connection.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by [deleted] »

brundolf wrote: post #67

For me this feels spot-on. But I wanted to comment on one thing: > Fourth, we'll see a resurgence and even fetishization of explicitly "offline" culture, where the "Great Logging Off" becomes literal I actually think the author undersold this a bit, because even once you've siloed into social buckets with people you already know- as long as it's digital communication, you can't quite be sure it's really them . Even i…

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