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Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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Happy it worked out for you. I had a similar experience only my wife had just gotten pregnant with my second child.

That game me urgency like crazy and with a bit of luck I found my dream job in 3 months.

I agree with everything you've mentioned but the biggest +1 for me is that it's lonely. I'd add that all job searches are lonely in my experience.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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> I had no stigma whatsoever attached to the fact that I had been laid off. This point in the article was weird to me, that you should creatively avoid saying that you were laid off. Sure, some layoffs are just an excuse to get rid of people who the company believe are low performers, so if you were laid off from a prominent company where recruiters know why the layoff happened, this could be a problem for you when l…

Yes, when lots of companies are cutting back to their most essential employees, it helps provide a little cover. But, y'know, regardless of the environment, what does it say about your abilities that your employer didn't consider you essential? This is a very pessimistic way to view things that I don't fully believe, and of course any reasonable person knows that being part of a layoff is very rarely just the employe…

    But, y'know, regardless of the environment, what does it say about your
    abilities that your employer didn't consider you essential?
I think it depends on the company. If you're laid off from from a small or medium sized startup, with more or less one product, then I can understand how being laid off can be seen as a reflection of your skills (or lack thereof) as an engineer. But if you were laid off from a larger company, all it means is that some director saw a team (or teams) which were working on more speculative projects, which could be axed as a way of saving money during a recession. It doesn't mean that you're an unskilled engineer. It just means you were unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when the ax fell.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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Would anyone here find it useful if I offered to teach algorithms and data structures, specifically catered towards leetcode kind of problems. The approach would be (writing it from memory, will revise it if there is any feedback): First master the basic data structures and be able to manipulate them rather quickly. We will write many small programs to ensure that a one can perform most of the common operations on a…

This would interest me as well.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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I always lie (through omission) in job interviews, because there's no federal protection against discrimination on basis of sexual orientation.

Even when applying to companies that are LGBTQ friendly? I sometimes self identify on applications if the company has a good reputation with that kind of thing because I’d expect It would give me some diversity points. But maybe that’s not the best idea.

> Even when applying to companies that are LGBTQ friendly?

Ah, so sorry, we found a candidate who had more relevant experience than you, but please do keep applying.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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I actually agree with the parent here; grinding leetcode is some dumbshit waste of time that I'm not going to bother with -- I've got code to put in production and this simply is never a good use of my time. When you have an obnoxious hiring process that will take multiple hours for your special company, why would I even waste my time? I can click a few more buttons and have offers elsewhere anyways...

> dumbshit waste of time that I'm not going to bother with You're leaving hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table. The hours/money ratio of studying leetcode is pretty good. > for your special company At least 1 round of leetcode questions is a requirement for every company I have interviewed with. > I can click a few more buttons and have offers elsewhere anyways... If that's actually true, then nevermind. I h…

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Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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If a company asks you about stuff that isn't any of their business you have my permission (not that you need it) to lie your ass off if you think it will help you. The power asymmetry is such that unless the counterparty is extremely careful about abusing that power that you will end up being cornered and taken advantage of. If you present yourself as more desirable than you are based on your current situation and it…

I always lie (through omission) in job interviews, because there's no federal protection against discrimination on basis of sexual orientation.

> there's no federal protection against discrimination on basis of sexual orientation.

The agency that enforces federal anti-discriminatiom law disagrees.

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/protections-against-emplo....

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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I actually agree with the parent here; grinding leetcode is some dumbshit waste of time that I'm not going to bother with -- I've got code to put in production and this simply is never a good use of my time. When you have an obnoxious hiring process that will take multiple hours for your special company, why would I even waste my time? I can click a few more buttons and have offers elsewhere anyways...

> dumbshit waste of time that I'm not going to bother with You're leaving hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table. The hours/money ratio of studying leetcode is pretty good. > for your special company At least 1 round of leetcode questions is a requirement for every company I have interviewed with. > I can click a few more buttons and have offers elsewhere anyways... If that's actually true, then nevermind. I h…

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Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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There's really no way to hide you're currently unemployed, or at least not employed in the tech field, unless you make up an entire fantasy world. Not only will you have to put the lie into your resume, and maybe provide fake references, but you'll also get tons of interview questions about skills and projects and challenges from your current job.

>"There's really no way to hide you're currently unemployed" It is absolutely trivial. >"but you'll also get tons of interview questions about skills and projects and challenges from your current job" Your last job unless it is 10 years old should provide all of the answers. Any really identifying details should not be asked / answered as the employee is normally under NDA. Same for references. Reference from "curren…

While interviewing in the U.S. you'll get a lot of casual questions about your current job, such as what you like best about it, what skills you use there or why you want to leave. These will come from the recruiter, the manager and your future peers. These are both technical and social questions. Refusing to answer any of these questions would be very weird socially, and even very restrictive NDAs should allow you to at least speak generally about what you're doing.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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"We brought along the people we thought were the best, who we got along with, who would get the job done" I really appreciate the sentiment. In my experience such networks have been self-serving and mostly exclusionary, rewarding loyalty more than competence. "You need to make some changes" is not particularly helpful when you're outside the fold. What's typically unstated is something about loyalty, esp. not disclos…

The people whom I’d recommend are not on the basis of loyalty but rather on some dot product of competence and willingness/propensity to do hard work. It’s true that a network referral will inherently be of someone that I worked with (or have other [rare] reason to vouch for). That’s the value of it: if you know me enough to trust my judgment, that vouch has information value for you. I don’t see any other way it cou…

The people I would recommend are usually never needing help finding work and are probably already in their ideal role: I never have anyone to recommend!

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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I survived the dot com crash (yes I'm old). I have hired (interviewing team member, or hiring manager) hundreds of engineers. If you are hearing "let me know if I can help" (number 5) you might be doing something wrong. You should be hearing some version of " I will talk to my boss" or "I will call for you" or "XXX person I know is looking". I have a list of about 30 people who if they call me I'm going to go out of…

"We brought along the people we thought were the best, who we got along with, who would get the job done" I really appreciate the sentiment. In my experience such networks have been self-serving and mostly exclusionary, rewarding loyalty more than competence. "You need to make some changes" is not particularly helpful when you're outside the fold. What's typically unstated is something about loyalty, esp. not disclos…

Your first comment re: exclusionary is simply a filter for the flip side of your 2nd point.

The damage of a bad hire is 10x as bad as the positive impact of a good hire. A network of competent, easy to get along with people allows one to avoid the truly bad hires that we've all experienced.

Sure you may view it as exclusionary, but if you're hiring for seniors, and been in your niche a decade or more.. the likelihood of someone no one in your network has ever heard of being a great hire vs a terrible hire weighs heavily on a managers brain. Many of these niches are small and are the same few dozen people recirculating over and over. If you are going to spend more time with these people than your spouse or kids, you would like it be be minimally painful.

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