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Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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Bezos acts like a dick too. His space company is materially worse in every way. Amazon is famous for being a shitty place to work. We don’t even know what influence he has on the Washington Post, because he does it in secret. It’s weird you prefer it to be PR-whitewashed rather than just see it for what it is.

Amazon is shitty in shitty contexts, if you take Italy then every employee is unionised with benefits, in US you have this thing where you don’t want the government to be able to regulate but then expect companies to be good samaritan and foot the bill for maternity, sickness, public health, without paying taxes for it. Amazon is a good place, just need to regulate it

Bad people are actually good they just need more police???

Or everyone is bad - police are what make people good?

I don’t know how to parse your statement.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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SpaceX and T-Mobile are starting a trial in late-2023 to use unmodified handsets for text (and later, voice and data) with the Starlink V2 network to remove cell coverage dead-zones. [1] [2] It's achieved by "dedicating a slice of T-Mobile's Mid-Band PCS [1.9 GHz] spectrum, to be integrated into Starlink satellites, launched next year", with each Starlink V2 satellite hosting two 5-6 meter long cell-spectrum antennas…

Odd that it's not mentioned in the article as this is probably the most ambitious proposal in this area.

It’s actually significantly less capable than the network being attempted by ASTS.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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It's strange that you think that this is so unachievable yet we have things like Bluetooth, WiFi, LoRa and regular cell phone all working with relatively tiny amounts of power and discriminating from the noise generated by other nonparticipants. This would amaze anyone from before the 70s.

> LoRa LoRa bitrate is very low and the range of LoRa is not even comparable with satellite communication. Moreover, normal smartphone are not LoRa compatible.

Sattelite is 500km LoS, this is well in the capabilities of LORA. Text messages are also a similar bitrate to LORA.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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SpaceX and T-Mobile are starting a trial in late-2023 to use unmodified handsets for text (and later, voice and data) with the Starlink V2 network to remove cell coverage dead-zones. [1] [2] It's achieved by "dedicating a slice of T-Mobile's Mid-Band PCS [1.9 GHz] spectrum, to be integrated into Starlink satellites, launched next year", with each Starlink V2 satellite hosting two 5-6 meter long cell-spectrum antennas…

Does anyone know what codec they're using at 2kbps per voice call?

Most sat phones use a kind of AMBE from DVSI

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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I'll just leave this here for y'all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotelephony_procedure#Proce...

And the streaming video will be of an empty chessboard in a room with unchanging lighting.

Or AI video generator text prompts.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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AMR_SID claims to be 1.8kbps[1], but I can't imagine it sounds very good. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Multi-Rate_audio_code...

Hopefully it sounds better than AMBE2+, codec2 and whatever 1st gen Iridium was using at 2400baud.

I think it's very hard to get better quality out of that little data :(

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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Maybe you're not aware how much cheaper data is in other countries. Here in Brazil, unlimited Whatsapp + Voice + 5Gb costs 8$/month. Surely there are many factors to this but those Canadian prices still sound insane to me. This website ( https://www.cable.co.uk/mobiles/worldwide-data-pricing/#pric... ) lists Canada as having 50x more expensive data than Italy for instance.

Man, as a Canadian, I hate being put in the position of defending our wireless monopolies. But here goes. That website seems... not great? I think you got a 50x ratio by dividing the average prices of $0.12 (Italy) and $5.94 (Canada). That appears to be a median...but I'd like to know how they chose the plans they used for the calculation. For example, Canada's maximum price is given as $46.02/GB. Perhaps such a plan…

I'll pitch in my celluar plan for comparison (Taipei)

Currently I'm paying around US$16/mo for unlimited LTE data with a major celluar provider here, and have been doing so for the past 4-5 years. (no, not unlimited with throttled cap, and with hotspot included)

And with recent 5G plans, unlimited plans (with 50GBs of unthrottled hotspot) can be had for effectively less than $30 a month, or even lower if you consider rebates for buying a phone on contract with them.

North American's celluar plans just seem so expensive.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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> Strong leaders are able to marshal engineers to build things like the iPhone, electric cars, reusable rockets talking about tired takes... The real refreshing take would be acknowledging that these things would exist even without them and that the cult of personalities is such an antiquate way to explain the success (or the demise) of companies (looks like Americans have learned nothing from the fall of Stalin). An…

> that these things would exist even without them Would these things eventually have been invented / brought to market by someone else? Probably. Infinite monkeys etc.

it's not about infinite monkeys and sheer law of the large numbers, it's simply about progress.

Japan had smartphones in 1999.

Nokia had already made a few mildly successful attempts, they were very good on the tech side, they lacked the marketing strategy.

There's not much to re-discover, we all know how things went.

Nokia had 50% of the global market, but only 10% in the whole North America.

Americans have always preferred homemade products and iPhone is an US product.

Before that they preferred BlackBerry, which was North American.

Sometimes for Americans if something does not exists there, it does not exist period.

I, personally, was doing a-ok with non-smart phones and a different device to do the computing stuff and I strongly believe computing in general is in a worse place than in 2007.

Besides, people are still working for Elon Musk at Twitter, who is clearly a very bad boss, and the ones who are not anymore, are complaining for being fired and very few left on their own, literally no more than a dozen, which shows that people mostly do their job because they are paid to do it, not because they like the people paying them. They care about the salary, which is not worng.

I don't believe many people love Zuckerberg, yet Facebook/Meta has more than 80,000 employees working there and making the things Meta does possible.

Not because of strong leaders but because it's their job and they are paid (often times well, sometimes very well, sometimes awesomely well) to do it. Full stop. There's no need to romanticize the worker/employee relationship.

It's actually pretty bad for worker when people start believing that the you need leaders and the need to be strong (which usually means arrogant pricks, not emotionally and psychologically mature).

We are going to work, not to war.

The iPhone idea in Jobs mind was an iPod that could make phone calls, to sell more music to people. Then after many iterations with people who actually know what they are doing, it became the money machine it is, by incorporating the app store and the ads/apps selling business, which is the only true technical innovation iPhone brought to the table.

The consequences of those choices were easily imaginable, but were discarded because: making money over everything else.

So we now have kids depressed by the constant external pressure of having to fit in a model that is completely made up by rich people pretending that an infinity pool from the rooftop of a 5 star hotel in Singapore is the normal way to live and that promote beauty standards that are unnatural and unreachable.

If I had the power to chose, I would have chosen the infinite monkeys over Jobs and Musk every day of my life.

Please bear in mind that it's not just Jobs and Musk, it's not personal, the same is true for every so called strong leader a definition that their PR office attached to them and made it stick. A façade thoroughly crafted by people expert in rebranding other people. For money of course, not because they actually like their clients. On the contrary, they probably hate them. When these people are free to roam they act like Bezos going to space with a cowboy hat, while forcing Amazon's employees to pee in bottles, because that's who they really are.

Have you noticed the new likable, nerdy do-gooder Bill Gates public image?

And why is Bill Gates bad and Steve Jobs good? They did the same amount of unspeakable things, they broke the same laws, they evaded the same corporate taxes, they killed competition the same way, they sued individuals just because they could and had an infinite amount of money at their disposal.

At least Bill Gates is trying to defeat malaria, isn't he?

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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This is such a tired take. Strong leaders are able to marshal engineers to build things like the iPhone, electric cars, reusable rockets. Both Steve Jobs and Elon Musk excelled at this, and just because they're not doing the low level engineering work doesn't mean they don't get any credit. And by all accounts Steve Jobs was extremely involved in the UX design of the original iPhone, and Elon Musk is often involved i…

> Strong leaders are able to marshal engineers to build things like the iPhone, electric cars, reusable rockets talking about tired takes... The real refreshing take would be acknowledging that these things would exist even without them and that the cult of personalities is such an antiquate way to explain the success (or the demise) of companies (looks like Americans have learned nothing from the fall of Stalin). An…

Countless inventions were inevitable, like the automobile or powered flight. The most obvious sign for this are inventions that happened independently in quick succession, or where there's debate who was first.

You could also reasonably claim that the iPhone wasn't so much a "product invention", other phones with similar functionality existed, the genius was making a great version and targeting it at consumers instead of business people. But that's still an invention of sorts.

Tesla is a bit like that, but Musks real achievement is SpaceX, which came into a stagnant space where each rocket was some upgrade of an upgrade of an ICBM, and showed that a startup can compete in the space, and even disrupt it. And now two decades later the space launch provider market is full of startups with fresh ideas. Without musk this won't have happened

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