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Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by makeitdouble »

userbinator wrote: post #51

Those on the Windows side are just as if not more angered by Windows 11 too. The software industry has become an example of quantity over quality, features over fixes, change and novelty over stability, diversity over excellence. Instead of gradually approaching perfection as bugs are fixed over time, software gets needlessly rewritten and introduces a bunch of new bugs. Thanks to the wholly misguided focus on "devel…

> The software industry has become an example of quantity over quality

Yes, and so many other industries have lead the way as well.

On some level I think it’s for the better. I won’t buy perfect, indestructible, 0.1 micron tolerance carrot peeler for the price of a car (nor will buy a car summiting the state of the art technology for the price of a house). I’m for cheap goods striking a good feature/price balance.

But on the other end of the spectrum it all reminds me of John Siracusa’s legendary toaster reviews, every single one of them being so crappy in some specific way. Having overall nice experience for a reasonable price is becoming more the exception than the norm.

I’m still happy we’ve left the Win98 days and kernel level crashes are pretty much a thing of the past.

Re: Ventura Issues

#92

Post by Gigachad »

ezfe wrote: post #73
AJRF wrote: post #21

The new system settings app is painful. It freezes for up to 30 seconds at a time after I take an action. It often goes completely blank, it flickers a lot and in general it's so hard to find stuff in it - the search is bad and they have just jammed settings in places that don't make sense. I am on a 2020 MacBook Air with m1 chip, 16GB ram - wouldn't expect performance problems in the settings app, yet here we are. I…

I've got an M2 Air, can't say I've experienced any of the performance/visual issues you describe. Design wise...is a different story of course

I don't mind the design. Whenever I want to know where to find something I just ask where would I expect to find it on the iphone and it's usually there.

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by akerl_ »

gymbeaux wrote: post #66
thought_alarm wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS X 10.7 (Lion) was the first post-iPhone version of MacOS, released in late 2011. It was a bumpy release and it's not remembered fondly, but it introduced a number of fundamental features that modern iOS/Mac users depend on, like iCloud. The previous version from 2009, OS X 10.6, was essentially a maintenance/refinement release with few new features while the rest of Apple was heavily focused on launching the iPhon…

10.6 Snow Leopard was the Windows XP of Apple. 10.8 Mountain Lion was also solid.

IIRC, this was relatively on purpose, with $modifier $name basically meaning "we made a backend change to the release but nothing else". Snow Leopard was a big shift towards 64-bit for core apps, and Grand Central Dispatch for multi-processing,

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by dagmx »

supercucumber wrote: post #82
AJRF wrote: post #21

The new system settings app is painful. It freezes for up to 30 seconds at a time after I take an action. It often goes completely blank, it flickers a lot and in general it's so hard to find stuff in it - the search is bad and they have just jammed settings in places that don't make sense. I am on a 2020 MacBook Air with m1 chip, 16GB ram - wouldn't expect performance problems in the settings app, yet here we are. I…

System Preferences was rewritten for Ventura in SwiftUI, which is absolutely not ready for production, especially on Mac. Speaking from personal experience, I recently wrote a simple macOS app using SwiftUI. I found the framework to be slow (why does it use so much cpu/memory when idle??), unintuitive, and awkward to use. Despite being in its 4th year, SwiftUI is still very much beta software, and I wouldn’t recommen…

As a counterpoint, I’ve done several Mac apps with SwiftUI for internal use and it’s been quite pleasant. Early SwiftUI was definitely rough, but it’s quite nice now as of Monterey and Ventura.

If you’re seeing high CPU use and slow performance, it might be due to high usage of ObservableObject or other things that may be triggering updates under the hood more often than need be.

SwiftUI is very sensitive to the data model structure since it’s a react style setup.

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by dagmx »

kanzenryu2 wrote: post #37
mberning wrote: post #5

Apple is badly, badly in need of a “code red” style freeze on new features for macOS and iOS. Even very basic things which should be rock solid are not. I just had a kernel panic when copying files to an smb mount. No issue when I do the same copy mounted as nfs. Ridiculous in this era.

It still amazes me that in the 21st century no computer can use a couple of extra monitors reliably without sometimes not detecting them, getting in the wrong resolution, or other strange issues.

Display conformance to the communication standards are a hot mess. That’s generally the biggest problem

Re: Ventura Issues

#96

Post by cokeandpepsi »

DrewADesign wrote: post #61
userbinator wrote: post #51

Those on the Windows side are just as if not more angered by Windows 11 too. The software industry has become an example of quantity over quality, features over fixes, change and novelty over stability, diversity over excellence. Instead of gradually approaching perfection as bugs are fixed over time, software gets needlessly rewritten and introduces a bunch of new bugs. Thanks to the wholly misguided focus on "devel…

I recently switched to Windows because I need some performance-intensive windows-only software. I'm convinced that Microsoft lets marketing write the feature bullet list and then tells product managers to assign arbitrary dates to each bullet entry and use that as their project timeline. Quality is absolute garbage. Microsoft 365 Family is shockingly bad. The 6tb of storage you get for $10/mo (spread out over 6 accou…

pretty much, after microsoft decided windows wasn't really critical they kind of just let random people go to town with it

that's why opensource platforms are so important, general computing is kind of screwed when apple or microsoft get distracted by something shiney

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by dragonwriter »

Gigachad wrote: post #88
concinds wrote: post #85

I always see stories complaining about major macOS versions, but I've yet to see one about Windows yearly feature updates (except the data loss one years ago). It seems that even though the initial releases of Windows 10 and 11 get criticized, Microsoft is better able to balance new features and bug fixes than Apple for smaller updates. They're also far more transparent about known issues.[0] edit: Windows is no nirv…

Windows users are just used to things not working so they become desensitised. Every windows laptop has had suspend broken for the last few years and windows users just think it’s normal that your laptop heats up and drains to 0% overnight.

> Every windows laptop has had suspend broken for the last few years

What is “suspend” here? Hibernate? Sleep? Something else?

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by falcolas »

rayiner wrote: post #65
userbinator wrote: post #51

Those on the Windows side are just as if not more angered by Windows 11 too. The software industry has become an example of quantity over quality, features over fixes, change and novelty over stability, diversity over excellence. Instead of gradually approaching perfection as bugs are fixed over time, software gets needlessly rewritten and introduces a bunch of new bugs. Thanks to the wholly misguided focus on "devel…

It’s not even “the quantity over quality.” Early OS X point releases would get big new features like hardware accelerated compositing. What does Ventura even add? The last big new feature was APFS becoming the default back in 2017. I guess it’s better than Microsoft, where Metro/WinUI/web rewrites of core apps actually remove tons of long-standing features.

> What does Ventura even add?

I like the native support for 32:9… But that’s about it.

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