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Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by userbinator »

Those on the Windows side are just as if not more angered by Windows 11 too. The software industry has become an example of quantity over quality, features over fixes, change and novelty over stability, diversity over excellence.

Instead of gradually approaching perfection as bugs are fixed over time, software gets needlessly rewritten and introduces a bunch of new bugs. Thanks to the wholly misguided focus on "developer experience", the new version is more inefficient and more complex, leading to even more bugs than the previous one. They call it "progress", but it really isn't. It's an increasingly steep decline fueled by an abundance of developers that need to be given something to do.

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by gymbeaux »

fogleman wrote: post #10

Ventura has serious issues with ExFAT volumes (failing to boot with them connected, Finder or other apps not showing all of the files, inability to empty the trash, etc.) I have several 2 TB external SSD's and ended up migrating them all to APFS because of Ventura. If you google "ventura exfat site:discussions.apple.com" you'll see all sorts of complaints. Pretty terrible situation.

Ventura has serious issues.

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by userbinator »

saagarjha wrote: post #32
yborg wrote: post #11

Most of these frankly seem like small beer and to be expected in an early release of an OS. I also am not sure how a Git Tower issue is a Ventura problem. That said, I'm still running Monterey, having amended my practice of waiting until the after the first point release to now waiting until the 2nd to do a full version update because of Apple's tendency in recent years to introduce major bugs which are not compensat…

> Most of these frankly seem like small beer and to be expected in an early release of an OS. This is not a beta OS. It’s been out for months. Having things randomly freeze because you decided to connect an external drive is not really OK. > I also am not sure how a Git Tower issue is a Ventura problem. Presumably it used to work, which means AppKit broke something.

This is not a beta OS. It’s been out for months.

Neither was it written from scratch in a few months. It inherits the effort of two decades of work on what was originally OS X.

Re: Ventura Issues

#54

Post by gghffguhvc »

gymbeaux wrote: post #49
gymbeaux wrote: post #47

OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion was the last release of the golden years. You could argue it was actually 10.9 Mavericks, but that's the release that introduced the annoying notification every time you disconnected a USB drive. Either way, OS X 10.10 Yosemite was when shit started hitting the fan- that's when they started rewriting OS X in Swift, an Apple-designed language which is somehow WORSE than Objective-C. As a softwa…

Also, it's 2022 and Xcode is still trash

As someone who uses XCode with schemes and Android studio with flavors, I have way more issues with Android studio. Having to invalidate caches on Android studio quite frequently and delete derived files in Xcode occasionally.

But with Apple Studio Ultra at least build times on both are amazing compared to a few years ago.

Re: Ventura Issues

#55

Post by baggy_trough »

AJRF wrote: post #21

The new system settings app is painful. It freezes for up to 30 seconds at a time after I take an action. It often goes completely blank, it flickers a lot and in general it's so hard to find stuff in it - the search is bad and they have just jammed settings in places that don't make sense. I am on a 2020 MacBook Air with m1 chip, 16GB ram - wouldn't expect performance problems in the settings app, yet here we are. I…

Agreed, the Settings app is horribly ugly now. So is About This Mac.

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by lapcat »

jviotti wrote: post #26

One of mine: sometimes (50% of the times?) turning on my MacBook Pro for the first time leads to the Dock using very high CPU and making switching between desktops abnormally slow. The fix is to force-kill the Dock app, and make it restart again by itself.

I wonder if this is the same issue? https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/dock.html

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by semireg »

I ignore macOS updates as a self preservation technique until something forces my hand such as buying a new computer or Xcode complaining it only runs on a particular release.

Between macOS, cpu architecture changes, and the fast pace of Electron’s release cycle (node ABI vs native modules), I’m constantly terrified about keeping builds running. Each upgrade … I’m just clenching my chest waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I never thought I’d become a late adopter of technology. But here we are.

Re: Ventura Issues

#58

Post by userbinator »

mberning wrote: post #5

Apple is badly, badly in need of a “code red” style freeze on new features for macOS and iOS. Even very basic things which should be rock solid are not. I just had a kernel panic when copying files to an smb mount. No issue when I do the same copy mounted as nfs. Ridiculous in this era.

I just had a kernel panic when copying files to an smb mount.

Apple rewrote the SMB code to make it closed-source starting with 10.12, I believe; the immediately noticeable effect was that it became far buggier.

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by thought_alarm »

locusofself wrote: post #13
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #4

The System Preferences redesign was a huge red flag. This OS is a Lion, no thanks.

I'd like to understand what "This OS is a Lion" means. Is that a commonly used phrase?

OS X 10.7 (Lion) was the first post-iPhone version of MacOS, released in late 2011.

It was a bumpy release and it's not remembered fondly, but it introduced a number of fundamental features that modern iOS/Mac users depend on, like iCloud.

The previous version from 2009, OS X 10.6, was essentially a maintenance/refinement release with few new features while the rest of Apple was heavily focused on launching the iPhone and the App Store. Many people consider 10.6 to be the strongest OS X release, but it feels positively retro by today's standards.

Re: Ventura Issues

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Post by gymbeaux »

xenospn wrote: post #39
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #31

Just today I tried to look for how to switch to using the discrete GPU on my 2019 Intel MBP, but I couldn’t find a setting for it. Is it gone?

You can still do it, but it’s not exposed in the UI anymore.

I don't think it was ever officially in the UI beyond "allowing" certain applications to use the dedicated GPU inside a MacBook Pro. The only reason Apple even added that was as a battery conservation concern.
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