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Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia
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Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out . There is literally nothing else anywhere near as important. Literally everything matters less. To equate those two things is disingenuous and offensive.
> We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out. Imo renewable energy and and EVs are worthwhile because of air pollution, but we can do without the fearmongering about the world ending. Historically every time people have done that it was a load of BS
Yes and no. CFCs were going to end poorly without global action.
Venus would be inhabitable without a runaway greenhouse effect. That can happen here. No one knows the future. We should default on taking reasonable precautions.
Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia
#133Near where we live, apparently the Mormon community keeps going out and doing this. It’s becoming a major problem and is apparently leading to a lot of drama between the two communities. (My information is secondhand, but came from a national parks interpreter)
I highly doubt this is true due my deep understanding of Mormon culture and their ethical inclinations. You are spreading second hand gossip and casting an entire religion into disrepute. Please share facts or reliable reporting if you have such.
Your understanding of modern Mormon culture and their modern ethical inclinations does not change history.
Any religion such as hinduism with their caste-based discrimination and mormonism with their skin-color-based discrimination is in their correct place when found in disrepute.
Please inform yourself before standing for such shameful and unethical/immoral belief system.
Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia
#134I have a friend on a property with cave art here in the hunter valley of Australia. We really don't do enough to preserve it at all. He's responsible and ensures no harm but it's still weird to own private land with 10k+ year old art and have no one really give a damn about it. Compare it to European attitudes, eg. Lascaux where they closed off the cave completely and only allow tourists near the modern reconstructio…
We need more of your mate.
Too many people willing to clear willy-nilly to make a buck around.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Compare it to European attitudes Yeah... Can we swap? Or like find a middle ground? Here in slovenia, we have socialist buildings from 1970s that someone decided to culturally protect, and the owners cannot renew the leaking facade and add insulation, because the outside has to stay the same, and puting insulation on the inside would reduce the inside space and make walkways and doors too narrow to pass (or carry a…
It's important to preserve modernist and brutalist architecture, so I can sort of see their point. I'm surprised there isn't another option in that specific case though (Can they not just add doors to the stairwell? Or do they oppose that too?) Too much brutalist architecture is being covered in tacky "neo-classical" plaster facades.
Half of our cities have buildings just like that. There is nothing special about them... just ugly socialist reinforced concrete buildings. I would understand if there were just a few left over, but there are large neighbourhoods just like that.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Compare it to European attitudes Yeah... Can we swap? Or like find a middle ground? Here in slovenia, we have socialist buildings from 1970s that someone decided to culturally protect, and the owners cannot renew the leaking facade and add insulation, because the outside has to stay the same, and puting insulation on the inside would reduce the inside space and make walkways and doors too narrow to pass (or carry a…
what makes a building socialist?
built by the government during socialist times, and built in the same was as pretty much all the other socialist buildings were built (reinforced concrete or from premade concrete blocks). A bunch of our cities were built during the socialist era, and pretty much all the buildings look the same, and some things (especially parking garages) are actually the same all over the country.
Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Compare it to European attitudes Yeah... Can we swap? Or like find a middle ground? Here in slovenia, we have socialist buildings from 1970s that someone decided to culturally protect, and the owners cannot renew the leaking facade and add insulation, because the outside has to stay the same, and puting insulation on the inside would reduce the inside space and make walkways and doors too narrow to pass (or carry a…
It's important to preserve modernist and brutalist architecture, so I can sort of see their point. I'm surprised there isn't another option in that specific case though (Can they not just add doors to the stairwell? Or do they oppose that too?) Too much brutalist architecture is being covered in tacky "neo-classical" plaster facades.
Brutalism is an interesting architectural movement, but speaking as someone who lives in a city that has human-scale architecture, lots of trees and lots of eclectic housing, I understand Europeans who don’t want their cities dominated by remnants of the misanthropic planning regime that was imposed on them.
Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia
#138I have a friend on a property with cave art here in the hunter valley of Australia. We really don't do enough to preserve it at all. He's responsible and ensures no harm but it's still weird to own private land with 10k+ year old art and have no one really give a damn about it. Compare it to European attitudes, eg. Lascaux where they closed off the cave completely and only allow tourists near the modern reconstructio…
> Lascaux where they closed off the cave completely and only allow tourists near the modern reconstruction.
Video by Tom Scott, that talks about the similar Chauvet cave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zJbi9YatcA
Poignant explanation of why such pre-historic art is important:
> It shows that they have a life, they do have culture, they do have art as we do today. They may not have done it for the very same reason, but they do have it. And it shows that they do not just merely survive, they live.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not talking about having a discussion with them. I'm talking about attending highschool in a country town with 30% indigenous population. Also I'm acutely aware of what their people have endured. I personally don't feel like it justifies the behavior that I encountered in my schooling years.
As someone keenly aware of the history of Australian country towns I have to ask .. when you talk to the old people in town that were born in the 1920s and 1930s did any of them talk about going out and beating up or shooting "trouble making" fringe dwellers? That was pretty commonplace right across Australia and leaves attitudes that persist for decades, not to mention the rounding up and confining by law to reserva…
Not really? Then again my town was predominantly German Lutheran when it comes to the oldies and they are much more reserved. Even if they held those opinions they would keep them to themselves.
My experience with crime and indigenous folk was unfortunately much more personal. When I was ~13 a group of Aboriginal teenagers stole our car, proceeded to use it in a robbery and then left it burn out on the side of the highway. Thankfully we don't leave anything of value in our car. Those kids weren't much older than me, the eldest was 15 I think. They were caught but not charged or anything.. which I also think is a bit unfair given they already had prior history. Had I been caught doing the same thing I can almost guarantee I would have been punished severely if not for the fact I have no previous record at all.
If that was the only incident I could probably write it off as just a few bad apples but I had to go to school with them.
They were rude, disruptive and physically beat the shit out of people just for amusement assuming they actually went to school, much more likely would be to find them at the skate park drinking, smoking weed and vandalizing random public property.
If anything when I was growing up I couldn't understand why the oldies seemed to put up with them when if I was to even be caught having a beer with some mates underage I was treated like I had disrespected the entire community.
Growing older I begun to understand a bit, obviously at that age I didn't fully comprehend the extensive damage that had been done to their culture and I think that is a contributing factor why the older people in our community was more lenient on them than us.
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#140> The Mirning peoples had been in talks with the Australian government over needed changes to the site’s maintenance, asking for increased security and better access for the tribe to the caves. Currently, the tribe needs to request a key from the local environmental department to access the site, making it difficult for tribe members to visit and for the Mirning to protect the site. This is absolutely infuriating and…
Indeed. The Australian public service has been thoroughly hollowed out. For a couple of decades the incentives for talent have dried up. You can get a reading of this by watching a Senate Estimates session where senior Canberra bureaucrats are questioned. Seat-warmers, for the most part.