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Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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Pretty unfortunate and disrespectful. Sort of emblematic of Australian bogan culture however. For some reason Australian teenagers are among the worst in this regard. As someone that grew up in country Australia this really doesn't surprise me at all. Contributing factor is that racism against indigenous Australians is somewhat fueled by the same sort of rhetoric that became popular in the Trump election campaign. No…

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Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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post #47

Pretty unfortunate and disrespectful. Sort of emblematic of Australian bogan culture however. For some reason Australian teenagers are among the worst in this regard. As someone that grew up in country Australia this really doesn't surprise me at all. Contributing factor is that racism against indigenous Australians is somewhat fueled by the same sort of rhetoric that became popular in the Trump election campaign. No…

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Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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I have a friend on a property with cave art here in the hunter valley of Australia. We really don't do enough to preserve it at all. He's responsible and ensures no harm but it's still weird to own private land with 10k+ year old art and have no one really give a damn about it. Compare it to European attitudes, eg. Lascaux where they closed off the cave completely and only allow tourists near the modern reconstructio…

Is it possible that the teenagers did not know that the "scratchings" (for lack of a better term) were actually ancient and wise and sacred and enlightened aboriginal art?

Why would that matter?

Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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My suspicion is that whoever did this was emboldened when none of the climate change vandals who did similar things to paintings in museums got any real punishment. If they all got a year or two in prison instead, I don't think this would have happened.

The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out . There is literally nothing else anywhere near as important. Literally everything matters less. To equate those two things is disingenuous and offensive.

> The climate change protestors did nothing wrong.

They also did nothing right. Their stunt is 100% useless.

> We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out.

Yah, that's not even remotely true. Who is making you think that?

There could be disruption, people will have to change what is farmed where, people might need to move, animals will have different ranges.

But human race die out? Not in the slightest.

Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out . There is literally nothing else anywhere near as important. Literally everything matters less. To equate those two things is disingenuous and offensive.

I also agree that we desperately need more attention on climate change. In addition to that, to my knowledge no art was actually damaged by climate change protestors (who mostly projected soup on a glass, not directly on paintings...)

That's not accurate. They did destroy actual art. After a quick google search:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/climate-protesters-campai...

Is that really the kind of attention we need to the problem? Some lunatics destroying master pieces?

Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Artwork such as this is not just important from an artistic perspective, it's important from an archeological, historical, and paleontological perspective. There is a lot we have learned from ancient rock art and probably a lot that we have yet to learn. For example, by exampining the kinds of animals in ancient cave paintings paleontologists have been able to learn certain details about the appearance and behavior o…

Considering the security established around it and the knowledge of what it was, I find it hard to believe that enough photos, samples, etc, weren't taken before this vandalism to have gained or have the capacity to gain any knowledge these drawings may provide.

Having access to the original artifact itself is still important. We have a lot of second hand accounts of things that happened in the distant past but for many of these things, we are missing original accounts or original artifacts from the events in question. It would be nice to pick a wild example, to be able to see what the Ark of the Covenent actually looked like despite having a pretty good description of it, because we have no way of knowing (aside from faith I guess) how accurate the description is or what it leaves out and what that would tell us about the people who built it. Also, even the most complete description of an artifact is still bundled with the assumptions and presuppositions of those doing the describing. There may be things that future generations would wish to learn that we simply currently lack the grounding to explore.

There's a parellel in the early expeditions to Pompeii or Troy which did a lot to destroy the sites in question and destroyed a lot of knowledge in the process.

Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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My suspicion is that whoever did this was emboldened when none of the climate change vandals who did similar things to paintings in museums got any real punishment. If they all got a year or two in prison instead, I don't think this would have happened.

The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out . There is literally nothing else anywhere near as important. Literally everything matters less. To equate those two things is disingenuous and offensive.

> We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out.

Imo renewable energy and and EVs are worthwhile because of air pollution, but we can do without the fearmongering about the world ending. Historically every time people have done that it was a load of BS

Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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post #47

Pretty unfortunate and disrespectful. Sort of emblematic of Australian bogan culture however. For some reason Australian teenagers are among the worst in this regard. As someone that grew up in country Australia this really doesn't surprise me at all. Contributing factor is that racism against indigenous Australians is somewhat fueled by the same sort of rhetoric that became popular in the Trump election campaign. No…

> the indigenous Australians I interacted with didn't do themselves any favors

Aboriginal and Torres Straight islanders have experienced systemic, soul crushing racism for 300 years. It seems unfair to expect them to be cordial and have a nice discussion about it all.

Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia

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Does anyone have a full/clear image or a before and after? The best one I was able to find is the one in the article.

Maybe one of us who lives nearby can drive over and take a few snapshots for the “after” pictures. It sounds like they let anyone just walk on in.

Nobody lives nearby. The "Null" in Nullarbor isn't just for fun! The cave is in the middle of a desert with a population of 50 and the desert is on an isolated coastline with such centers of population as Border Village Roadhouse, Old Telegraph Station and Head of the Bight Lookout 100 km away.
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