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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by pmontra »

hardlianotion wrote: post #23

One question that always seems to be unclear and insufficiently negotiated is reciprocity. What is the US going to offer in return. If they do offer to reciprocate, it actually needs to be delivered before the deal is live. That said, I think it is a shitty deal for these leaky, insecure, bad faith entities to be able to negotiate off to the side with our sensitive personal data like this.

The USA offers to continue the free visa agreement. If that ends, for reciprocity there won't be free visas for USA travelers to Europe too. It's lose lose but one of the two parties is always going to lose more than the other one. Which one? In the case of tourism probably Europe loses more from less USA tourists because of visa friction than the USA loses from European tourists staying at home. Business? It will take more time to setup a travel but people that have to travel will travel anyway.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by LarryMullins »

EGreg wrote: post #136
MonkeyClub wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They don’t spy on their own citizens They sure do; whatever gave you the impression they don’t?

Their mandate doesnt allow it https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal

Funniest thing I've read all week.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by frankfrankfrank »

epolanski wrote: post #120
LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

I get the sense you do not quite understand how much essentially all of Europe is a vassal state of the group of people that also has a stranglehold on America.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by xiphias2 »

epolanski wrote: post #120
LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

The whole EU economy depends on the USD-EUR liquidity swap line between the two central banks. Basically EU has to do whatever US wants.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by arcticbull »

LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

Sounds like we can either have nice things and demand better of leadership, or not have nice things and let leadership go fallow. Losing faith in leadership means the whole thing falls apart anyways. I for one think the former is the way to go.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by orangepurple »

cm2187 wrote: post #99
nixgeek wrote: post #21

Probably the most interesting part of this is if states don’t integrate by 2027 they will no longer be eligible for the Visa Waiver Program (VWP). That adds a lot of friction for citizens of that state to travel to the U.S. for any reason.

To be honest I am already avoiding to travel to the US as much as I can. No appetite for hours of queues at security and passport controls. Their airports are worst than many third world countries.

Visitor queue are typically miniscule if you are flying in from Europe

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by coob »

xiphias2 wrote: post #144
epolanski wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

The whole EU economy depends on the USD-EUR liquidity swap line between the two central banks. Basically EU has to do whatever US wants.

How?

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by IncRnd »

EGreg wrote: post #136
MonkeyClub wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They don’t spy on their own citizens They sure do; whatever gave you the impression they don’t?

Their mandate doesnt allow it https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal

I know that wasn't a serious comment, saying that federal government agencies follow their mandates and never break the law.

PS I see that you have edited your comment to add a link, https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal. That link shows that the government illegally spys on citizens, which is the opposite of what you meant to show.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by sofixa »

xiphias2 wrote: post #144
epolanski wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

The whole EU economy depends on the USD-EUR liquidity swap line between the two central banks. Basically EU has to do whatever US wants.

You should check out the GDPR and the Shrems judgements if you think that.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by LarryMullins »

jacquesm wrote: post #109
loeg wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the time when I spent 6 hours on a bridge trying to get into Canada because they could not imagine a person carrying a Dutch passport had a legitimate interest in crossing the border into Canada. The US doesn’t operate Canadian border control?

They checked outbound as well at that time, not sure if that is still the case.

AFAIK that only happens with planes and boats, where the transporting company is on the hook for sending you back if the border at the destination turns you away. I've driven into Canada numerous times and never encountered any sort of American checkpoint before the Canadian border. But when I get onto a ferry in America that goes to Canada, they do check my passport first before I get onto the ferry.
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