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Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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That's poor game theory. Russia is a Mongol horde. Suing for peace against tribal border raiders (cooperate) is a rational strategy. If they know you'll always cooperate, then their best strategy is to always come back and attack (defect). Each time you achieve peace you lose land. So, rational strategies are bad. You want to adopt an irrational strategy where you appear to be a crazy person willing to hurt themselve…

Only if you're correct about them being a Mongol horde and not a rational actor, but their actions were predictable and were in fact predicted by professors years ago who understand the geopolitcal landscape and history of NATO.

No, they're rational actors in this scenario.

In real life Putin changed strategies in a way that made his country worse (turned into a Mongol horde) but personally improved him (gave him more power over the country).

You can ignore anything he says; it's not meant for you and he doesn't care if you hear it or believe it. It's like when Russians say that Ukraine is run by Jewish Nazis. It's not intended to be truthful, which is why they don't care they've caused /more/ countries on their border to join NATO.

By "professors" you presumably mean Meerscheimer, who's basically like a cynical politics poster who thinks everything is about "making hard choices" and so is in favor of anything that sounds like it's "making hard choices" even if it's wrong.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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> The world is much much bigger than you think. This is a condescending, ignorant, and stupid sentence. > It might be shocking but And so is this. > PayPal Ah yes, ecommerce, famously irrelevant to modern society. > Twitter I don't even know where to begin. We live in an information age, and this is one of the largest platforms of disseminating information there is. More importantly, the most prominent journalists in…

The ignorant and condescending sentences you pointed out are true and I only added them because you still seem to be looking at this from an upper class American/European perspective.

The fact you think something entirely subjective and ill-defined is 1) objectively true and 2) something you can know without being in my head is ridiculous.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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No, because Jonathan Swift wasn't actually eating people in the service of satire. "Goat fuckers" actually fuck goats even when they do so "ironically." If you spread Russian propaganda for the lulz you're still spreading Russian propaganda.

Are people who quote-tweet Musk tweets to dunk on them spreading Musk propaganda? “Satire is bad because it spreads the thing being satired” is a fun take, but no one in the media seriously believes it enough to be consistent about it.

Except we're talking about Twitter, which is designed to do exactly that, and Elon Musk, who should know by now that any thread he replies to will go viral. In this case, "satire" is bad because is spreads the thing being satirized, yes.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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And then he can use as much drugs as he wants without it introducing new and interesting avenues for geopolitical instability.

Yeah but Ambien tweeting is so much more thrilling when you’re a billionaire CEO. We’ve all been there.

"Sleeping pills" is classic celebrity cover for harder stuff.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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He pushed for Ukrainian territory to be formally ceded to Russia after they occupied it by force and violence. His "peace plan" was then enthusiastically praised by Kremlin propaganda. It seems his push for peace is always one sided in that all his ridiculous plans end with Russia being rewarded for aggression and Ukraine losing territory.

Except that isn’t what he said. He said the people in those regions should be able to decide which country they want to be part of and that the result should be enforced/respected by both sides. It’s a stupid opinion, but he didn’t say what you said he did.

He specifically said Crimea needs to be ceded to Russia.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Yea, the predictions of someone driven by passion (in this case, a passionate dislike of Musk it appears) probably aren't great in general. But, below $100 seems reasonable - the stock could still be considered 'overpriced' in the current market (at least by P/E).

There's really not much to drive sales for 2023 either. Was watching a summary of new EVs for the year and I'll give him credit on the "jet powered" roadster as very cool, but all the new exciting EVs for the average consumer are coming from GM, Ford, BMW, Toyota (with a very interesting Hydrogen powered offering which is technology I had no idea was even this developed) and a few other smaller startups. I think Ford…

Toyota is taking on a lot of risk with their bet on Hydrogen, especially because so far the Mirai has taken off about as well as a lead balloon.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Musk was very clearly mocking the propaganda tweet, not praising it. I wouldn't put much confidence in the predictions of someone who didn't realise that.

It reads to me more like jesting between pals...this isn't the first time he's retweeted and conversed with Medvedev in a light-hearted fashion like this. There is a reason the Kremlin and their propaganda is supportive of Musk. Meanwhile Twitter is banned for ordinary Russians by the Russian government, why isn't he questioning Medvedev over that?

No sane supplier to the MIC would be pals with the likes of Medvedev.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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He thinks he's being funny, and his opponents and critics have no humor.

Maybe Elon doesn't think his stock dropping from $300 to $113 in less than six months is funny. Or maybe he doesn't have a sense of humor either...

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Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Shrug. Maybe it's just me, but I don't things seriously when people use multiple exclamation marks.

Elon talks like a Rick and Morty script. He's serious when he says things like that.

All this reminds me of MAGA treatment of Trump's ambiguity. A straight shooter and a troll at the same time..

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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What I find interesting is nobody complained about Musk's social media antics when he proclaimed himself to be Technoking of Tesla or when he hyped dogecoins with diamond hands. Both evidence of bizarre behavior for a CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation. But only now - after the stock took the proverbial Acapulco cliff-dive - are investors condemning his 'erratic tweets hurting the stock'.

> What I find interesting is nobody complained about Musk’s social media antics when he proclaimed himself to be Technoking of Tesla or when he hyped dogecoins with diamond hands. People have indeed criticized both of those and many of the other things Musk has tweeted before the recent Tesla stock decline, and even the SEC has taken legal action based on ]Musk’s past tweets.

Not enough to discourage him from doing it some more.
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