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Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by scrollaway »

leehuffman wrote: post #83
yellow_lead wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. But when I moved to Taiwan, I tried to switch my payment location to get regional pricing and they refuse to accept my Taiwan debit card. Now I pirate music or use Vanced (YouTube).

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So you want people to have to purchase cd rom players and be limited to whatever can be physically shipped, or else they’re not allowed to enjoy music at all?

Those limitations were a hard cap years ago. Now they aren’t: if you put them on somebody, they are arbitrary.

And you’re going on a weird-ass rant about capitalism yet you’re not seeing that this is a classic capitalistic problem? You’re expecting people to go a route that is more difficult, more expensive, more time consuming and has less choice, because a fraction of a percent of their effort and money will then maybe go to the original producer of the music?

Let people pirate if it’s the easy route for them FFS. Blame the record labels and distributors, they’re the ones at fault here.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by chewz »

Same. Lies after lies and dirty tricks from Google..

Changed Google, got logged out of Chromecast/Google TV. And reinstall process is "allow locatio ", "no, allow precise location", "allow bluetooth", "allow voice match", ... - all this to stream music in my local network...

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by yellow_lead »

BbzzbB wrote: post #116
yellow_lead wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. But when I moved to Taiwan, I tried to switch my payment location to get regional pricing and they refuse to accept my Taiwan debit card. Now I pirate music or use Vanced (YouTube).

Works both ways tho. I remade my Tinder account from the Vietnamese phone number I had, have used my Canadian credit card and changed my account's phone to my Canadian one (ported to VoIP) after 3-4 weeks, but I still get billed in động for their top subscription. You could remake your Spotify account. Alternatively, make a family account and share it with 5 more members. Works out to just 3$/month (Canadian!) for us…

I might try that but I have a lot of data already on my spotify account. The Spotify support tried to help me, escalated like four times, told me to talk to my bank (my card works on other sites and my bank said there should be no issues), etc. So I think it may not even work on a new account.

Re: I'm done with Google

#134

Post by rapht »

di4na wrote: post #90
rapht wrote: post #58

There's a language issue which has not been tackled by regulators and which is actually the mere definition of what happens when I choose to "buy" or "purchase" something. This is because until recently (by the timescale of "buying things") there were no intangibles to be bought or sold. An intangible is mostly a right to something - in other words, it's paperwork. But some things are both tangible and intangible, i.…

There are multiple cases going through the courts in multiple countries around this. The one i have in mind is in France (UFC Que Choisir vs Steam iirc) but i know there are others. From time to time, someone look at these, read the judge opinion, realise how much it would change the web economy out there, write a panicked piece... Then swiftly erase it from their memory because it is a tad too big to think through.

"Calling a cat, a cat", as we say in French: I really do not see what anyone would lose just putting the right words on each action -- and it's not even very difficult to define.

Can the user use the thing mostly without the provider? Yes = purchase, no = rental.

If all of sudden it's all "rentals" everywhere, what does it change -- apart from opening up an avenue for the people willing to actually sell the things they would otherwise lease, because consumers will prefer it that way?

Re: I'm done with Google

#135

Post by Tepix »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #32

I am proud to say I don't use a single google service, and haven't in years. Now, if someone sends me a YouTube link, I watch it (in an invidious instance, of course) and I use some metasearch engines which rely on google to a large degree, hut I don't have a google account, I use no google services, have no google applications installed anywhere. The same applies to Meta and Microsoft as well, and some others. I hav…

I'm sorry, but if you use youtube, you are using Google services.

But good on you for avoiding their services, i do the same (however, i still use Google maps regularly for navigation because Apple maps has let me down too often). I also watch youtube.

Regarding video game consoles, you could get an older one that has no cloud connectivity. They are cheap and the games are still great.

Re: I'm done with Google

#136

Post by userbinator »

usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this.

I still remember when not pirating would get you strange reactions, and it was considered polite to share (on a USB drive or similar) the media you had recently consumed; some PMPs even had a USB host mode, which let users exchange files with others easily, and P2P was also far more popular. Here's some dated-but-related references from that era:

https://xkcd.com/488/

https://i.imgur.com/9l9nc.png

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by izacus »

nine_k wrote: post #70
silisili wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due respect, I feel like Google is large enough to refuse to be told what to do. If they really cared...

Refusing to be told what to do costs money. Say, Apple put its financial weight at labels with iTunes and iPod, and now we have 99¢ tracks as a norm. But to spend money on something, a company has to plan to get more in return. Apple did. What would be the plan for Google? What money-making machine of theirs would it enable?

It's telling that Apple isn't able to persuade American content corporations into DRM free videos either. They're now biggest supporters and implementors of locked down DRM across their device portfolio.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by [deleted] »

leehuffman wrote: post #83
yellow_lead wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. But when I moved to Taiwan, I tried to switch my payment location to get regional pricing and they refuse to accept my Taiwan debit card. Now I pirate music or use Vanced (YouTube).

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Re: I'm done with Google

#139

Post by nine_k »

prakhar897 wrote: post #77

It's even worse on youtube. I used to save songs/videos on youtube playlist but they randomly started vanishing. Google doesn't even provide the name of the content it removed so we can search it again. Even worse, some songs actually got replaced by another version (i think due to copyright issues). The result is I started downloading everything I loved and "liking" the content to track what I already have. There's…

Anything you store in a cloud service, especially a free cloud service, is at best a cached copy. It's there for ease and speed of access, but has no guarantee of durability whatsoever.

Don't make a free cloud service your source of truth. (Paid, too, unless you just pay for compute and storage.)

If you care about any data, have it under your control, stored on machines / media under your (physical) control. All else can and will disappear without notice.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by Tepix »

haroldp wrote: post #63
halfbrite wrote: post #12

> She has a copy of it I got on google play for her which she can play on her tablet. > So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault). Is it pirated if you already own a legally valid license? How about rips of blu-rays you own, which you solely use and do not intend to share? Is that pirating or using your legally owned product on a different medium?

> How about rips of blu-rays you own, which you solely use and do not intend to share? Is that pirating or using your legally owned product on a different medium? This is protected fair use. But distributing software to decrypt DVD DRM is illegal.

Not sure if DeCSS is still illegal but the OP was talking about blu-rays and they are ... "less hacked".
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