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Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by 22289d »

usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

I don't pirate for similar reasons. I just like the UX better. I like all these apps on my tv full of content. Until like 2015 pirating was the better UX so I did that. But now it's a pain in the ass relative to what streaming offers.

I always thought if they want me to pay, they gotta make it worth it. And they have. So they get my money.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by nlnn »

gleenn wrote: post #28
gundamdoubleO wrote: post #10

I'm always reminded of Gabe Newell's quote on piracy[1]: >Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem And by in large I still agree with it. For me I've only ever turned to piracy when the legitimate service has become a complete mess of red tape and user frustration. [1] https://www.escapistmagazine.com/valves-gabe-newell-says-pir...

Honest question, what's the difference between a pricing and service problem?

A pricing problem would be where media/subscription costs are higher than people are willing/able to pay.

A service problem would be where the service or app is too complex or time consuming to use, or has a lot of friction during use (as was the case in the original post).

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by scambier »

gleenn wrote: post #28
gundamdoubleO wrote: post #10

I'm always reminded of Gabe Newell's quote on piracy[1]: >Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem And by in large I still agree with it. For me I've only ever turned to piracy when the legitimate service has become a complete mess of red tape and user frustration. [1] https://www.escapistmagazine.com/valves-gabe-newell-says-pir...

Honest question, what's the difference between a pricing and service problem?

"Piracy is a service problem" means that most people pirate because they don't have access (or difficult access) to the product/service they want. They would gladly pay for it, but they can't, or can't be hassled to.

I don't know if it's been backed up by real data, but services like Steam and Spotify tend to confirm this intuition.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by anonzzzies »

We need a z-lib for movies, shows and music. Revive bittorrent (yes, i know it still exists but it simply doesn't have much content; not many people sharing/seeding anything but blockbusters) or, make a better bittorrent.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

Hope you are at least buying CDs otherwise you are just making excuses to take stuff for free

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by linuxandrew »

usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

Exactly this. MSN Music screwed me over when they shut down and made the .m4p DRM music files unplayable. I redownloaded all of the music via BitTorrent and persisted to this day.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by feiss »

kome wrote: post #5

Yes, google is shit. But it is far from being the only case. People, the internet is decentralized. Use it. Stop using social media, build your website. Own your domain. Don't buy it in google, don't host on AWS. Nobody visits it? Good. Use use smartphone less, use your laptop more. Buy a dumbphone. Use Linux. Be unashamed of pirating stuff, if you have to pay yet another corporate rent. Buy shareware from independen…

create so others can consume your creations? ;D

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by rapht »

There's a language issue which has not been tackled by regulators and which is actually the mere definition of what happens when I choose to "buy" or "purchase" something.

This is because until recently (by the timescale of "buying things") there were no intangibles to be bought or sold. An intangible is mostly a right to something - in other words, it's paperwork.

But some things are both tangible and intangible, i.e. that copy of the movie you have on your computer.

That's when the regulator should have stepped in to make precise use of words: you are decidedly not "buying" or "purchasing" a movie from Google Movies. You can only be "renting" it, on Google's terms, albeit long term.

Regulators should mandate the use of the word renting as soon as there is no tangible copy that you can use independently of the company that "sold" -- actually, "leased" -- whatever you "bought" from them.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by jfoster »

midoridensha wrote: post #22
halfbrite wrote: post #12

> She has a copy of it I got on google play for her which she can play on her tablet. > So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault). Is it pirated if you already own a legally valid license? How about rips of blu-rays you own, which you solely use and do not intend to share? Is that pirating or using your legally owned product on a different medium?

>Is it pirated if you already own a legally valid license? I imagine it depends on who you talk to. If you talk to the company lawyers, they'll say it's illegal and you need to pay up. If you talk to a different lawyer that believes in better IP rights, they'll tell you it's not illegal but hasn't been tested in a court of law. Ultimately, the only way to know if something is illegal, in the US, is to do the possibly…

Feels like there should be a precedent along these lines by now. Do these cases get settled so commonly that none covering this type of case have been ruled on yet?

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by snowwrestler »

indrora wrote: post #9

The issue here isn't that it's Google, it's that Google is doing what they're told to do. Movie and music licensing has been absolutely destroyed recently and the hoops that you have to agree to are becoming untenable. Recently, I mentioned to a band it was sad they pulled their music off Spotify. Puzzled, they were not even aware that the licensing was pulled, and they had to go yell at their record label (who was u…

Based on the description it seems unlikely this is related to studio licensing. For one thing it was a purchased movie, so changes in streaming licensing should not apply. For another thing, the details of app updates and file caching are usually left up to the platform, for obvious reasons: the platforms know way more about that stuff than the studios.
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