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Re: I'm done with Google

#101

Post by JodieBenitez »

yellow_lead wrote: post #21
usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. But when I moved to Taiwan, I tried to switch my payment location to get regional pricing and they refuse to accept my Taiwan debit card. Now I pirate music or use Vanced (YouTube).

> Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify.

This is not the right thing to do. Spotify is peanuts to artists. If you want to do the right thing, buy music at Bandcamp: you get files you can keep forever and artists get a fair share of your money.

Re: I'm done with Google

#102

Post by silisili »

di4na wrote: post #73
silisili wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due respect, I feel like Google is large enough to refuse to be told what to do. If they really cared...

No they are not. The courts have been swift and merciless on this shit for music, video and similar things. Google may seem big but they do depends on the law still.

In the current system where Google plays lame duck, sure.

But all G has to do is say 'yeah if you want us to feature your content, you must agree to X'

With 90% of the search market, half of phones, and who knows what percentage of the smartTV market, they could institute a death sentence to those they wanted to.

IF they wanted to.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by donmcronald »

gundamdoubleO wrote: post #10

I'm always reminded of Gabe Newell's quote on piracy[1]: >Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem And by in large I still agree with it. For me I've only ever turned to piracy when the legitimate service has become a complete mess of red tape and user frustration. [1] https://www.escapistmagazine.com/valves-gabe-newell-says-pir...

> Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem.

It’s both. I can go on Steam and find a fun looking game that can range from $0 to $100. There’s no minimum spend. I spend hundreds of dollars a year on “cheap” games and nothing on movies or music.

Re: I'm done with Google

#105

Post by veltas »

usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

I ask for open mindedness that I bring religion here, I feel it necessary to discuss this question of ethics/morality: "Who gives a fuck?"

I quote Mark 12:15.

> But, knowing their hypocrisy, he said to them, “Why put me to the test? Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” And they brought one. And he said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said to him, “Caesar’s.” Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him.

This is pretty much the reason I don't pirate.

I wasn't a Christian before. I first thought "if everyone else pays, why should I get it for free?". But eventually I came to question the concept of personal sharing of media being controlled by the state, and just gave in to 'piracy' (a silly name for the act). I suppose I also generally became jaded on social conscientiousness.

More recently I became a Christian and now I don't 'pirate' at all. It's because the above passage in my opinion can be applied to media (although it's not literally what was said, I think the rationale still works): most of the people who make such media don't approve of me 'pirating'. Therefore if I engage in it, which I actually have a choice about, rather than with the currency which frankly is mandatory for most people, then surely I owe them their price. And if I don't have a way to pay for it then I don't have any more right to it.

Respectfully, you act as if your hand is forced here, but you don't actually need to consume the media, you just want to.

Re: I'm done with Google

#106

Post by cyco130 »

cyco130 wrote: post #15
navanchauhan wrote: post #3

> The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates. I know this quote gets thrown around whenever we talk about piracy, but there is a reason it resonates so well with everyone. I might have multiple streaming subscriptions and I still occasionally get blu-rays and DVDs, but I still prefer m…

I've known more than one music studio owner in the past who used a cracked Cubase despite owning a legal license because their anti-privacy dongles created lots of compatibility problems. The pirated copy simply worked better.

Haha, I meant "anti-piracy". Freudian slip.

Re: I'm done with Google

#107

Post by EMIRELADERO »

di4na wrote: post #90
rapht wrote: post #58

There's a language issue which has not been tackled by regulators and which is actually the mere definition of what happens when I choose to "buy" or "purchase" something. This is because until recently (by the timescale of "buying things") there were no intangibles to be bought or sold. An intangible is mostly a right to something - in other words, it's paperwork. But some things are both tangible and intangible, i.…

There are multiple cases going through the courts in multiple countries around this. The one i have in mind is in France (UFC Que Choisir vs Steam iirc) but i know there are others. From time to time, someone look at these, read the judge opinion, realise how much it would change the web economy out there, write a panicked piece... Then swiftly erase it from their memory because it is a tad too big to think through.

Check out Andino v. Apple too if you haven't already!

Re: I'm done with Google

#108

Post by nine_k »

I think one of the acceptably ethical approaches is to pay for a legitimate copy (which is still not entirely under your control), then pirate a permanent copy.

Do not let the seller to manage what the seller alleges is yours; even if the seller is not malevolent, you can lose what you "legitimately bought". Take control into your hands.

Good distributors, like Bandcamp, or iTunes, or even Amazon, allow you to directly download the music that you've bought, and still continue streaming; always go for this option if you care about your purchase.

With movies and, paradoxically, books it's very often not nearly so straightforward; a direct download may be not available at all. See the first paragraph then.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by magic_hamster »

vincentkriek wrote: post #34
gundamdoubleO wrote: post #10

I'm always reminded of Gabe Newell's quote on piracy[1]: >Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem And by in large I still agree with it. For me I've only ever turned to piracy when the legitimate service has become a complete mess of red tape and user frustration. [1] https://www.escapistmagazine.com/valves-gabe-newell-says-pir...

I think this is true for the majority of people, and I think music streaming is the example of this. I know almost no people who still pirate music, everyone has spotify. The competition between services (tidal, deezer) seems to be fought over music quality and some minor exclusives but the majority of the music collection is shared over services.

I don't have Spotify. And I never will. I don't like depending on subscription services. There are satisfactory alternatives (I find pre-compiled YouTube sets to work well) but having a local copy has always been a priority for me, and I don't see it changing any time soon.

Re: I'm done with Google

#110

Post by encryptluks2 »

usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

It's full of inaccuracies and hyperbole. It isn't frank, it is exaggerated to illicit a response.

For example,

> So I go to google play store and go through the 50,000 security verifications.

And this comment:

> Google is contributing to the destruction of the concept of ownership, as are many services of the modern age.

Pretty much any service that uses DRM. There is a lot to be upset with Google about, but this is like someone ranting that they can't figure out how to use a Google device. If you don't like it then buy a portable blu-ray or DVD player, or convert the DVD and blu-ray yourself to a digital format without DRM.

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