It’s crazy seeing this on the front page of HN! I grew up in Stanstead. I have fond memories of story time as a child in the library, borrowing movies and comic books, and playing age of empires 2 with my best friend on the two shared computers in the front room. There’s also a street in the town (aptly named Canusa st.) which is half in the US and half in Canada. Interestingly, the houses on one side have flags remi…
Is it that the US residents are chauvinistic, or that the Canadians are embarrassed?
The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House
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#82It’s crazy seeing this on the front page of HN! I grew up in Stanstead. I have fond memories of story time as a child in the library, borrowing movies and comic books, and playing age of empires 2 with my best friend on the two shared computers in the front room. There’s also a street in the town (aptly named Canusa st.) which is half in the US and half in Canada. Interestingly, the houses on one side have flags remi…
Is it that the US residents are chauvinistic, or that the Canadians are embarrassed?
(Also note that in Quebec provence flying a Canadian flag can be a bit of a political statement… it seemed easier to me to be carefully neutral on such things).
Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having been born in East Germany I can assure you that the "Left" is not a proponent of free movement and that they will gladly attempt to shoot you for trying to escape from socialist paradise. Calling US Democrats "socialist" for wanting things like universal free health care makes me cringe in light of that.
You are 100% correct of course. Political discussions in the U.S. using the word "socialism" are basically meaningless, because people use that word to mean several completely different things: 1. Socialism as practiced in eastern Europe during the Cold War - basically the state is a prison, no one is allowed to leave, people who attempt to leave are shot and left to die, everyone is under surveillance, and dissent i…
What the heck are you talking about?
Denmark is a parliamentary constitutional monarchy with a mixed economy. The current government is a majority coalition of a social-democratic, a moderate-liberal and a conservative-liberal party. It is considered centrist. There are seventeen parties in the danish parliament, two are socialist parties, and both are small minorities. Denmark does not call itself socialist or claims to practice socialism.
Norway is a parliamentary constitutional monarchy with a mixed economy. Norway is often called state-capitalist because of the large amount of state owned company shares. The current government is a minority coalition of a social-democratic party and a centrist-agricultural party. It is considered center-left. As a minority government it relies on opposition votes to rule. There are ten parties in the norwegian parliament, two of which are socialist, and both are small minorities. Norway does not call itself socialist or claims to practice socialism.
Sweden is a parliamentary constitutional monarchy with a mixed economy. The current government is a minority coalition of a moderate, a liberal and a christ-democratic party. It is considered center-right and relies mostly on votes from the right to govern. Sweden was governed by a center-left minority coalition of social-democrats, greens, centrists and liberals, which collapsed. There are eight parties in the swedish parliament, one of which is a small socialist party. Note it was not part of the last government either. Sweden does not call itself socialist or claims to practice socialism.
Finland is a parliamentary republic with a capitalist mixed market economy. The current government is a five party coalition led by the social-democrats and including a centrist, a green, a socialists and the swedish party, in order of size. It is the only scandinavian country in which a socialist party is actually part of the government, but with 8% it is more the little far-left cousin of the leading social-democrats. It holds the ministry of education and the ministry of health and social affairs. The government as a whole is considered center-left, and there are ten parties in parliament, with the previously mentioned one being the only socialist party. Finland does not call itself socialist or claims to practice socialism.
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For those who can only think in left/right, east/west, blue/red, and are terrified and confused by the idea of a parliament with seventeen parties: to understand european politics one must first learn to differentiate and be specific. For example: "democratic-socialism" and "social-democracy" are two very different political concepts. A mixed economy is not socialism, but a capitalist market economy with strong regulatory oversight and some state owned property, often controlling shares of key industries. And social benefits are an implementation of Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and of the first three of the U.N. sustainable development goals.
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TLDR: There is no scandinavian country that practices socialism these days.
Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean all the things just as hard to get as a passport, some invented specifically to be used for this new program? Sure, I guess you could get one of those instead. But there's no reason to get one of them rather than a passport except as a fig leaf for people to say a passport "isn't mandatory". Or, and bear with me for a second, we could have kept freedoms we had on September 10th, 2001.
It’s far easier to get an EDL than to get a passport, what are you talking about? We never had Schengen. Almost every other country has similar entry requirements, why should the US and Canada be any different? They’re not in a far-reaching political alliance, there’s no incentive to have open borders or provide exceptions to rules. 9/11 changed things. It’s absurd to expect things to always be the same and just beca…
It changed too many things that should not have been changed.
>"It’s absurd to expect things to always be the same"
Exactly. We should expect them to get better and more free. Otherwise we are moving in wrong direction.
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#85one piece that is omitted from this is how the border is enforced. From the looks of it, unless you’re looking at becoming employed here they don’t really check your citizenship. That’s a win in my book. Reminds me that when I was a kid you could travel to / from Canada without a passport (only nation with that privilege if I recall correctly) and now you can’t. I recall no real good reasoning for it other than the D…
This is completely normal inside the EU. You barely notice you're in another country sometimes.
Of course, if your car isn't registered in an Eastern European country you probably won't even know that this is a possibility.
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The increasing legal constraints offset the declining technological constraints. Given modern communications and transportation technology, open borders would have very different practical effects today than a century or two ago. The number of people who would come in would be hugely greater than in the past.
Cool. Let’s welcome them and also stop bombing their countries with our militaries and restricting their ability to clone our working technology and maybe they’ll stop trying to leave their homes. EDIT: Point being that open borders has the benefit of forcing us to face the ways in which we are harming other places. The fact that currently many people would leave their homes to come here is a feature not a bug. We’re…
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s far easier to get an EDL than to get a passport, what are you talking about? We never had Schengen. Almost every other country has similar entry requirements, why should the US and Canada be any different? They’re not in a far-reaching political alliance, there’s no incentive to have open borders or provide exceptions to rules. 9/11 changed things. It’s absurd to expect things to always be the same and just beca…
> It’s absurd to expect things to always be the same and just because it was open before doesn’t mean that was ever intended or expected to be permanent. On the flip side, there's also an interpretation under which passports (and possibly visas) were not intended or expected to be permanent: https://fee.org/articles/passports-were-a-temporary-war-meas... This article quotes various delegates to international conventi…
More than public health. Every single migrant who came through Ellis Island and other US border stations had to
* Pass said public health examinations
* Prove, to the satisfaction of inspectors, of disaffiliation with a variety of subversive organizations/ideologies (Communism and polygamy being two prominent examples)
* Provide proof of financial support in the US, whether by oneself or from a US financial sponsor
Don't pass any of these tests? You're on the next ship out of the US. Shipping companies were responsible for return passage (just as airlines are responsible for paying the way of those who do not pass US border entry today), so had incentive to make sure that their passengers would pass scrutiny.
I am a migrant to the US. I am very much in favor of restoring and enforcing such rules today.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Now you need a passport and the border agents are often incredibly hostile. Are the Canadian agents hostile as well, or only the American ones? >The people are super nice, the government... not so much. The Americans that tend to go into law enforcement jobs are not super nice people, quite the opposite really. It's really eye-opening going to other countries outside the US and interacting with cops and other law en…
The Canadian agents are comically friendly, but that's because I'm coming back into my own country, where I'm a citizen, and, y'know, they have to let me in. Cuz it's my country. I hear from Americans that they're often not very nice , but it sounds not nearly as terrible as "please stand in this room for an hour AND DON'T TOUCH YOUR PHONE while we tear your car apart for no reason because, I dunno... a hunch or some…
Returning to your own country doesn't mean the agents have to be friendly to you. I'm American and the agents there are not friendly when I return. They don't just do it to non-citizens; they're assholes to everyone. Of course, there's a lot more limitations on what they can do to US citizens than to foreigners, but they don't turn into nice guys when they see a US passport.
Every time I've visited Canada, the agents there were reasonably friendly to me too. To me, this shows that the two countries simply have extremely different standards in what kind of people they hire to be agents, and how agents are allowed to act.
Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House
#89one piece that is omitted from this is how the border is enforced. From the looks of it, unless you’re looking at becoming employed here they don’t really check your citizenship. That’s a win in my book. Reminds me that when I was a kid you could travel to / from Canada without a passport (only nation with that privilege if I recall correctly) and now you can’t. I recall no real good reasoning for it other than the D…
After 9/11 there were (false) rumours (spread by US Congressmen IIRC) that some terrorists entered the US via Canada. Even though that was shown to be false the stigma remained and I think it was a big part of the reason for the changes.
There were a lot of people in border towns affected. Before 9/11 some people crossed daily for work and knew all the border agents. They would just drive through with a wave but that all changed.
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#90According to their web site, you can visit the place without a US visitor visa from the Canada side. As the only entrance to the library is in the US, all non-American visitors passing through US territory to enter the library must understand that their movements will be monitored by the US Border Patrol and the RCMP. Passports and visas are not necessary to enter the Haskell Free Library & Opera House. However, plea…