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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by bombcar » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

ScoobleDoodle wrote: post #92

survirtual wrote: post #59

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Most people in rural areas have some kind of food store with canned goods. With things like Soylent and Huel, those can also be used. I had 6 months of Soylent back in the day. 2 bags of Huel can last about 6 days and fits in a small bag — it is one of my hacks for backpacking. If you haven’t already, I recommend having a supply of canned beans, canned tuna, canned meats to preference, canned sardines, bulk rice (you…

Are you suggesting the inductive stove top because it’s more energy efficient? Thank you for sharing all of these recommendations.

Inductive fails when power fails, however. If you have a gas furnace you should consider having a gas stove connected even if you rarely use it - it can provide heat if power fails.

Remember that without power you have no exhaust fan and must ventilate appropriately.

A kerosene heater is a great investment in colder areas, hardware store sealed kerosene will last nearly forever.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by katbyte » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

eternalban wrote: post #108

mynameishere wrote: post #78

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If migration from Europe (and I suppose Africa) hadn't been unrelenting, then the natives would have gradually built up a modern-ish, defendable civilization. Maybe. It would have required some centralization of government as well, to prevent the divide-and-conquer tactics used against them.

Right, the question is precisely this: who would leave the juicy morsel of Americas on the table in the 15th-20th century historic range. The means and processes may possibly vary. Just to be clear, even today in 21st you will note there are many global actors that deny the very notion of a "universal human rights". I'm not European myself and definitely not defending what happened. But it seems to me that what happe…

What happened to natives in America was anything but an accident https://youtu.be/A5P6vJs1jmY

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by epistasis » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

dboreham wrote: post #116

epistasis wrote: post #41

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Energy will be far cheaper when we switch to a fossil fuel free grid, because the newer technologies are cheaper, and unlike fossil fuels they are on a decreasing cost tech curve. So the sooner we build out the tech, the sooner prices fall.

Is this true? It contradicts everything I know about energy. Can you post some evidence?

Here's a paper that is the best single source of quantification of learning curves that I know of:

https://www.inet.ox.ac.uk/publications/no-2021-01-empiricall...

With a detailed podcast episode here:

https://xenetwork.org/ets/episodes/episode-159-the-cost-of-d...

But any single paper in the literature shouldn't be trusted on its own. So I would encourage anybody who is interested to look for themselves at cost curves over time for solar wind and storage, and notice how they all follow Wright's law very well. And then look at the ever-increasing cost of fossil fuel extraction, as we need ever more sophisticated techniques to continue matching supply to demand as the easier sources are extracted.

Wind solar and storage behave like proper technologies. Fracking did to some extent, but it is technology for making something that was impossible into the possible; and there's finite amounts of frackable resources. Oil and natural gas have price floors set by these fracking costs, which have not dropped precipitously in the past 10 years.

We have not yet reached the inflection points on wind water and solar where the logistic curve switches to the linear phase. So we likely have decades of similar cost reductions for these technologies, almost certainly. If you look at where that leaves us for an energy future, it's unbelievably rosy. That is, as long as we invest in the tech.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by dboreham » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

Ntrails wrote: post #146

imglorp wrote: post #134

For some context from someone who's been on that Res, its population is highly vulnerable with no margin for mishaps. It's a place of generational, crushing poverty, crime, illness, genetic-exacerbated substance abuse, broad lack of economic opportunity, cultural isolation, and federal disinvestment. Free federal healthcare is available, but only at an IHS hospital in Rapid City 1.5 hours away in good weather: it's a…

> genetic-exacerbated substance abuse Could you expand on this a bit? Not a concept I am familiar with

Not parent, but this is a generally accepted thing, e.g.

https://www.bumc.bu.edu/genetics/research/substance-abuse/

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by LinuxBender » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #142

LinuxBender wrote: post #119

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You've given me something to go do. I've never visited the reservation near me. [1] If they are unaware of the wood cutting permits [2] I will show them. [1] - https://windriver.org/destinations/wind-river-indian-reserva... [2] - https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mbr/passes-permits/forestprod...

It looks like the Wind River reservation is quite some distance from the Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest, I don't think ignorance of the permits is their problem.

There are other areas to cut wood. They don't list all of them. The local forestry office may be able to provide closer locations. For example, there is a designated area just a few miles from me but it is not listed on any of the forestry websites. I listed that page to show the permitting process, restrictions and costs. As toomuchtodo pointed out, it may even be free in their case.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by bombcar » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

mindslight wrote: post #104

survirtual wrote: post #59

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Most people in rural areas have some kind of food store with canned goods. With things like Soylent and Huel, those can also be used. I had 6 months of Soylent back in the day. 2 bags of Huel can last about 6 days and fits in a small bag — it is one of my hacks for backpacking. If you haven’t already, I recommend having a supply of canned beans, canned tuna, canned meats to preference, canned sardines, bulk rice (you…

> 3 day reserve battery for the house ... All my heating and cooling would be electrical I don't think you've run the numbers here, at all. Battery storage that can provide off-grid heat-pump heating for a single dead-of-winter design night is bordering on impractical. Creating a buffer that could last 3 whole days (4-5x the size) would be blatantly prohibitive. Batteries only make sense for daily cycling to deal wit…

And three days is nothing when you could be without power for a week or more.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by epistasis » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

starkd wrote: post #148

Scoundreller wrote: post #129

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I think the ultimate combo will be air source heat pumps and pellet stoves. Pellet stoves should keep the insurance companies happy. Semi-renewable fuel. Semi-automated operation with minimal fire risk. Not much more expensive than nat gas, much cheaper than oil and propane, and most importantly: no nat gas network/connection/account/delivery charge.

How are pellets semi-renewable? Pellets are still burned up. Are the ashes re-used?

Pellets come from atmospheric CO2.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by EschatonCometh » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

kneebonian wrote: post #139

zdragnar wrote: post #15

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From the article, the community has stockpiled resources, but their plows and skidsteers are all out of commission. They literally cannot get to the firewood, and every time they clear some snow out more blows in. Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers.

> Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I wouldn't say that, I try and always have 3 months supply of food on hand in case something happens, even just a temporary job loss, in fact the idea of having less than a full months supply of food on hand seems terrify…

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by bombcar » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

joemazerino wrote: post #13

llamaimperative wrote: post #11

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The real story of every tragedy that hits a reservation is that they all sit downstream of a horrific, orchestrated genocide campaign intended to destroy these people’s history, culture, and knowledge of self-sufficiency. Put ‘em on the shittiest plots of land you can find, steal their children, ban them from speaking their languages and from passing their knowledge between generations, then we can sit and gawk at th…

A nice cop out. Are you saying those on the reserves are generationally crippled beyond reproach? Are all cultures stuck in wintery conditions facing the same issues and if not, why?

More like everyone who can escape does; this obviously only leaves those who cannot escape.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by boomboomsubban » Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

Ntrails wrote: post #146

imglorp wrote: post #134

For some context from someone who's been on that Res, its population is highly vulnerable with no margin for mishaps. It's a place of generational, crushing poverty, crime, illness, genetic-exacerbated substance abuse, broad lack of economic opportunity, cultural isolation, and federal disinvestment. Free federal healthcare is available, but only at an IHS hospital in Rapid City 1.5 hours away in good weather: it's a…

> genetic-exacerbated substance abuse Could you expand on this a bit? Not a concept I am familiar with

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_Native_Americans#G...

Alcoholism rates among Native Americans is higher than most groups, which leads some to suspect a genetic reason. Currently, there isn't a ton of evidence supporting that idea.