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Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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For me the benefits far outweigh the increased wear on the engine. I don't really need my engine to last 400k miles like it can in perfect circumstances. I need fog free windows, be comfortable driving the car without gloves on making the steering slip. To be able to focus on getting around and not shivering. I don't drive these days but back when I did those were all issues I had for my 5am start getting to work. An…

Interesting that you think about it that way. My primary goals are the opposite: 1. To save as much money as possible. Meaning to make my car last as long as possible, postponing the need for repairs or a new car as long as possible 2. To reduce energy usage as much as possible. Not only to save money but also because it's good for the environment. Which means I do exactly the opposite of yours. I'll to go great leng…

I appreciate what you are trying to do, but there is a 0% chance that I put on a thick sweater instead of just using my heated seats.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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Don't listen to this nonsense as it's absolute baloney. I would ask the experts that design engines and oil rather than a one-off op-ed piece from a news source with a questionable reputation, a history of sensationalism, and zero applicable scientific qualifications. The primary reason you warm up your engine is because oil is more viscous at cold temperatures. All engine oils have cold flow characteristics and modi…

My experience is that the viscosity modifiers are more warm-thickening than cold-thinning modifiers. It seems to behave like a low-viscosity base oil and additives to reduce thinning with temperature. (Not a petro /materials engineer.)

I agree with you, but that's essentially cold-thinning when it lets you run an otherwise-too-thin base oil.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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> How many cabs would die early because they are idling in traffic all day? and cop cars? Approximately all of them. This is well known. https://old.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/4pjnco/how_...

I think these discussions are risky because of causation/correlation. Cabs, police cars, UPS/Fed-Ex trucks need engine/transmission rebuilds sooner because they stop/start every day all day long. For example a Fed-Ex panel truck with a Cummins engine and Allison drive train will last for about 1 million miles without rebuild if used as a light duty such as a plumber or electrician or personal vehicle. Used as a Fed-E…

And the way delivery drivers drive... Our UPS guy drives in a way that makes us surprised his vehicle lasts for a week...

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

#184

My two cents on this, based on personal observation of driving habits: The real problem is that people will warm up the engine and cab, and then drive the vehicle like the entire thing has warmed up. Something that couldn't be further from the truth. Your tires will be low on air pressure. The entire driveshaft will be dry and its lube will be more viscous than normal. The digital traction controls and diff locks cou…

You are usually supposed to set your tire pressure when cold (and adjust it seasonally) so that shouldn't be an issue.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

#185

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I have the same recommendation on my car user manual, don't warm the engine, but take off after start up and take it slow for a few minutes until the engine water moves off the base. I know one of the engineers that worked at the car design and when questioned, he explained (going off memory here) that people used to warm the engine, then started driving normally, and while the engine is hot, the trasmission and diff…

Yeah, from my understanding, basically try to keep the engine load light until at least you’ve warmed your coolant to operating temperature, but ideally 5-10 minutes beyond that as your oil(s) will take longer to heat as they’re more viscous than coolant. Basically, drive like a grandma for ~10-20 minutes before even moderately giving it the business. The flip side of this is that, especially if you’ve got direct por…

Thats asking for a lot, considering my entire commute is 10 minutes, but I hit the highway 1 minute in.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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Yeah, from my understanding, basically try to keep the engine load light until at least you’ve warmed your coolant to operating temperature, but ideally 5-10 minutes beyond that as your oil(s) will take longer to heat as they’re more viscous than coolant. Basically, drive like a grandma for ~10-20 minutes before even moderately giving it the business. The flip side of this is that, especially if you’ve got direct por…

Thats asking for a lot, considering my entire commute is 10 minutes, but I hit the highway 1 minute in.

It's like lithium ion batteries. There is a set of "rules" for taking the best possible care of the battery, but you mostly can't actually follow them, while still getting any utility out of them since adhering to them strictly is almost more effort than living without a battery.

So all that's reasonable is simply to be aware of the ideals, and by inference the anti-ideals, and let them guide whatever freedom you do have, while just using the thing however you need to.

If you need to actually use your laptop on batteries freque tly, then go ahead and allow it to charge to 100% instead of limiting it to 50% to 80%. If you live somewhere cold and need to use a device in the cold, well then you just go ahead and use it outside of the ideal temperature range.

But the knowledge is still useful because there are still plenty of times where you could do any number of things and don't much care which since they're all equal effort, but they aren't all equally good for your equipment, and all else being equal, you would be just as happy to adopt a habit that gives x extra years of lufe than one that removes x years of life, if you simply knew about it.

Like, you don't really care that much where in your house you plop some device when you're not using it for weeks at a time, but a shelf in a covered cabinet is better than a table in direct sunlight, is better than sitting directly on top of a steam radiator.

Your work commute precludes the absolute ideal, but within your limits there is still a lot of opportunity to do things more vs less optimally. You might intentionally take local roads to the next exit, or for merely 10 miles even the whole way.

Or just don't even worry about it at all because diffs and trannies are really not what die first or most, and trannies do warm up some just from the torque converter pumping and the radiator loop.

And manuals just aren't a problem no matter what. They may shift harder but they aren't being hurt much. In any climate that even has cold, everything else will rust to junk before a manual tranny even needs a new clutch let alone any kind of actual wear to the gears or synchros.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

#188

I'm sure the cited expert really is an expert, but this article fails miserably at conveying any cohesive understanding from them to you. It's full of conclusions that don't follow from their leading statements. My understanding about warming up an engine before putting load on it had nothing to do with fuel or power steering fluid, it was about thermal expansion of all the machined parts that suffer wear if they are…

Modern vehicles have high quality oils, tight tolerances but rpm dependent oil pumps. At idle, the oil pressure is lowest, the fuel energy is lowest and consequently the engine will take the longest to come up to operating temperature.

FYI

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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Oil pressure seems to be left out of the conversation - oil-starved journal bearings can be bad news if loaded immediately. SOP in piston-engine aircraft is to get the oil temperature and pressure "in the green" before doing run-ups. There's a pretty good description here: https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/779/journal-bearin...

Some vehicles have oil heaters to get the oil to operating temperature before even cranking. These engines are often large enough to park a car inside, however.

The most common heater of an industrial engine is for the jacket water. Keeping the entire block heat soaked is the easiest/safest way to heat the oil as well. Using a "prelube pump", which is a low pressure, low volume circulation pump that parallels the main engine driven pump, oil is continuously sent throughout the internal passages

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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Interesting that you think about it that way. My primary goals are the opposite: 1. To save as much money as possible. Meaning to make my car last as long as possible, postponing the need for repairs or a new car as long as possible 2. To reduce energy usage as much as possible. Not only to save money but also because it's good for the environment. Which means I do exactly the opposite of yours. I'll to go great leng…

> I'll to go great lengths to avoid turning on the car's heater. You know, heat is a byproduct of the combustion process… —edit— And these people who won’t turn on the AC to save gas end up messing up the aerodynamics and making the vehicle less efficient while also suffering.

Yes so? I'd rather want that 30% energy to be converted to kinetic energy, than 0% energy being converted. What's the point of using a car as an immobile heater?

I'll turn on the heater once I'm on the highway, not before.

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