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Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cold still damages your EV’s battery. It is still, after all, a lithium ion battery.

The battery is heated to avoid that damage though. Nothing does this in an ICE car.

Some ICE cars have block heaters for this similar purpose.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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I'm sure the cited expert really is an expert, but this article fails miserably at conveying any cohesive understanding from them to you. It's full of conclusions that don't follow from their leading statements. My understanding about warming up an engine before putting load on it had nothing to do with fuel or power steering fluid, it was about thermal expansion of all the machined parts that suffer wear if they are…

I work on the repairs side of this industry (diagnostic tools), and have come to the conclusion that while the thermal expansion is an issue, it’s probably not the largest or most fundamental one.

When an engine idles (with no load), it produces relatively little heat. Comparatively, an engine running faster, under load produces much more heat. The engine will warm up more quickly and less evenly when loaded, likely leading to thermal stress, and possible mismatched thermal expansion. On the other hand, modern lubricants are very good at handling different temperatures.

The other thing to consider is that the engine is only one part of the vehicle, and various other components of the drivetrain may actually suffer more thermal stress from the idling than from immediate driving.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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Oil is more viscous in colder temps, especially at 0f and below. The oil needs to rise from the pan and up into the pistons, the piston seals assume a certain viscosity of oil. You want to have as little stress as possible until the oil reaches even just room temp. While revving the engine up won't immediately destroy it, that heat does not transfer from the pistons to all of the oil simultaneously.

Synthetic oils have a wider temp range where they maintain viscosity and lubricating properties. Of anything, always recommend good quality full synthetic oils for cold climates.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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If your oil is too thick to spread accurately, the problem is that you are using an incorrect oil, not that your motor is cold. Oil --must-- work even when is cold.

If your area reaches -40F in winter you will need a "0 Winter 30" oil grade; or 0W/30, that is more expensive but very thin so it will not freeze

5W/30 will work until -31F

10W/40 will not freeze until 0F. This is the standard grade used for both winter and summer in many temperate areas

If you use the 15W grade for tropical areas in cold places, the oil could be too thick, will freeze at night and lose their properties. If you start the car without warming it first, you will probably damage your engine and your oil pump will suffer.

Change it ASAP to the lower viscosity grade that could be managed by your engine (or keep the car in a warmed garage until spring. Your car, your choice). Check the owner manual.

A too thin oil will lubricate worse. If you live in hot climates, 10W and 15W will perform better in summer

Diesel vehicles will care of warming the diesel before to start and will refuse it unless the diesel is warm enough. If starting the car at morning takes ages, some of your glow plugs are probably broken and will need to be replaced.

This can be a delicate operation. If stuck don't force it, go to a professional with the correct tools. Old plugs can be fragile and if they break inside the engine, it will be a very expensive mistake.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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"peratures can shorten the life of your engine by stripping away oil from the engine’s pistons and cylinders — two critical components that help your engine run." Nonsense, if the oil pump and engine are built correctly and working as intended this does not cause librication not to work correctly. How many cabs would die early because they are idling in traffic all day? Your personal cars engine is not a formula one…

I worked at the engine plant in the early 2000s that made the 4.6l v8 that was in Crown Victoria for cop cars and cabs. The cop/cab version of the engine was different in that it had a highly polished timing chain for exactly this reason.

This is super interesting as a person who is interested in cars, but by no means a mechanic.

What does polishing the timing chain accomplish? Or is it more “accurate” timing?

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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post #56
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The battery is heated to avoid that damage though. Nothing does this in an ICE car.

While true, how long can the car heat the batteries before it's practically unusable because the battery has depleted so much you need to charge it again before driving to work? Not everybody has a charging port at home, especially in Europe.

Since you likely have it plugged in while it’s at home. Perpetually.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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First the heater without the engine started for 10-15 minutes, then if it’s really cold I remote start the engine for 5 minutes before driving. But I avoid idling the car cold without running the heater first.

I can only guess that your vehicle has an electric cabin heater that works if the motor is not on?

If i "ran the heater without the engine on" in any of my vehicles it would just blow cold air, and for sure one uses engine waste heat for cabin heat.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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post #21

Wow. This is unreal. The OP says: > In a blog post on its website, Smart Motors Toyota says letting your car idle in cold temperatures can shorten the life of your engine by stripping away oil from the engine’s pistons and cylinders — two critical components that help your engine run. > via VERIFY Great, they got some kind of content from somewhere else. Let’s follow the link to verifythis.com: > Yes, warming up your…

amazing, the entire premise is false.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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This is just plain wrong. The whole article. What kind of content farm puts those articles out.

Always take Business Insider with a huge grain of salt. In addition, their articles can be very politically biased, if you know what I mean. Always consider the other side of the argument when reading from lower tier sources like Business Insider.

Re: Warming up your car before driving in cold weather can damage the engine (2016)

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I'm sure the cited expert really is an expert, but this article fails miserably at conveying any cohesive understanding from them to you. It's full of conclusions that don't follow from their leading statements. My understanding about warming up an engine before putting load on it had nothing to do with fuel or power steering fluid, it was about thermal expansion of all the machined parts that suffer wear if they are…

Oil pressure seems to be left out of the conversation - oil-starved journal bearings can be bad news if loaded immediately. SOP in piston-engine aircraft is to get the oil temperature and pressure "in the green" before doing run-ups.

There's a pretty good description here: https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/779/journal-bearin...

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