2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop? • Hacker News Board

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by smoldesu » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:10 PM UTC

pedro2 wrote: post #87

jorvi wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What frustrates me is that other Linux users will tell you with a straight face that you must be flat-out lying if you bring up sleep problems. Had three users tell me that on HN just about a day ago.

You must be lying! Are you implying S0x works badly and wakes too many times, pcie_aspm requires to be set to force to have decent results and enabling S3 is hidden somewhere in the BIOS assuming it's there at all? You must be lying, I never heard of such stories! NOTE: My computer came without OS. Assuming HP Dev One or System 76 behave better in this regard. But I'm a sucker for 2-in-1.

Linux doesn't have power nap. That being said, I can leave my Thinkpad in my bag for a few days without worrying about losing any of the work on it. It won't win awards for standby durability, but that may just be a lost cause for x86.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by LAC-Tech » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:10 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #39

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…

I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I can recommend it to anyone without a certain amount of technical skills.

Then it's a good thing we are on hacker news!!

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by LarryMullins » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:10 PM UTC

joe_the_user wrote: post #129

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should have been clearer: mousewheel scroll speed, which there's no way to control from the GUI.

Sure, but that is a fairly obscure setting that I don't think merits your earlier build-up "Something as simple as..." . On the one hand, I'd certainly admit Linux has "warts". It's GUI is perfectly usable and clear - it's more now what one is doing than the horror that is Windows 11 imo (and I'm working on that occasionally now). But the warts of Linux are accentuated by the OS attracting a certain kind of "OCD" use…

Nah, it's pretty inexcusable for Gnome to not surface such a setting. LXQt's mouse configuration GUI lets you configure it, and LXQt has no more than a handful of people working on it. Gnome has more developer resources and could implement this easily, but they also have an attitude problem and bad priorities.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by bb88 » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:13 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #39

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…

1. Redhat standardized on RPM. Debian/Ubuntu had dpkg. Arch has their AUR packages. Slack used tarballs.

2. KDE and Gnome created two different rivaling GUI's. Never merged and split the development community down the middle.

3. There are N different GUI libraries: FLTK, GTK+, QT, wxWidgets, etc.

4. There are 3 different cross platform packaging solutions: Snap, Flatpak, AppImage

5. GPU and Wifi drivers can be a pain to get running sometimes, even if they're prepackaged for you. (Hell, my Nvidia drivers crash my windows laptop all the time).

6. Support for hardware sometimes requires third party libraries (solaar for logitech, etc).

7. Some software only supports Mac/Windows, but Mac won't legally let you install their OS in a VM, (not that it stops some people). If you're a business you're forced to use windows anyway for niche software that won't run with Wine.

8. Battery life on laptops typically is worse than a comparative windows/mac system -- because windows and mac tweak more settings for power and performance.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by hocuspocus » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:15 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #39

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…

All operating systems are exhausting.* I don't understand why Ubuntu updates would break anything, they've been so reliable lately that I even let my mom update her computer herself. But anyway, if you think they're bad, wait until you see mac OS's.

* Unless your usage is so light that all your computing can be done on ChromeOS or iOS, but even those are plenty annoying.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by lewantmontreal » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC

joe_the_user wrote: post #95

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #39

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. A. I'm looking at pointer speed section in Mouse Preference in Control Center. It's pretty simple. It give acceleration and sensitivy. B. Just about every GUI aims for decent defaults and doesn't allow endl…

A scroll wheel speed of one line at a time is not a good default.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by ChoHag » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #39

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…

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Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by ThrowawayTestr » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

themacguffinman wrote: post #76

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they? Private companies don't need to brag.

Yes they do if they want to build excitement and interest in their niche platform. Money isn't the only reason to brag, attention is critical to a platform's success and Valve's Linux-based platform is starting from behind.

>starting from behind

They have 20 years of brand history, what are you talking about?

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by kewrkewm53 » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

I've been running Linux Mint for years on both laptops (Thinkpads) and desktop, it hasn't been any more trouble than MacOS or Windows. Things just work out of the box for the needs of a basic home-office user & programmer.

I think it's just important to pick the right distro. RHEL which I use at work is giving me way more trouble.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by 0xcde4c3db » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:19 PM UTC

Kukumber wrote: post #24

Arbortheus wrote: post #5

Is there any Linux distribution with MacOS levels of reliability, simplicity, and productivity, that can reliably be updated without the boot partition getting full, random things like thunderbolt docks not working, or sleep states being faulty (or the machine not working properly after waking from sleep), or external monitor resolutions being wrong, and monitor scaling working properly when you have two monitors wit…

Bugs? sounds like they misconfigured their OS Linux is not a commercial product that'll suit everyone all at once, you need to learn about its components, linux is just a kernel If your argumentation is "various linux bugs", then you should stick to Windows, it has nice "various windows bugs", or macos, it has nice "various macos bugs" There must be a reason why linux empowers the world from micro controllers to data…

> the nintendo switch for its FreeBSD variant

Nintendo Switch doesn't run FreeBSD, although it does use some code from FreeBSD. The Switch OS (Horizon) is a proprietary microkernel-based system that isn't POSIX-flavored at all. I don't think the full lineage/history is publicly documented, but CFW and homebrew toolchain developers have noted strong similarities to the 3DS OS.