Any clue on what distros are causing the growth? First I've heard of all this.
Not sure how accurate this is, but you can take a look on wikipedia. [1]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?
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Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well it has been known for decades the Nvida is openly hostile to Linux Desktop, and actively tries to prevent development of open source drivers, Hell Linus has a famous speech where he literally flips of Nvida
If I ask about this around the office, do you think anyone will have any idea what I'm talking about? It might be obvious in your social circles, but that doesn't mean it's even remotely common enough to be assumed knowledge for someone trying out linux on the desktop for the first time.
>>If I ask about this around the office
Depends, is this an office is Linux users? If so then i expect yes they would
Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sleep states are faulty on the Linux laptop I'm currently on, and I do occasionally waste time on interoperability with various commercial software, although countless hours seems excessive. But when it comes to running dev software or getting up and running with a new project, or compiling some github source, I think I save much more time than I've lost.
What frustrates me is that other Linux users will tell you with a straight face that you must be flat-out lying if you bring up sleep problems. Had three users tell me that on HN just about a day ago.
It's really very hardware-dependent. You can have five machines and sleep and PM works just fine, but if you get unlucky you also can have five machines and three don't go to sleep and two have poor battery life. Sometimes this affects even devices marketed for Linux, like the framework.
Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?
#74“The Year of Linux on the Developer’s Desktop” is kind of moving the goalposts from the original idea, no?
Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?
#75If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…
There's no singular 'linux experience', all the problems you list are expected problems with some software on linux, but work just fine with other software systems on linux. Unfortunately many of the defaults chosen by Ubuntu are very poor and give bad first impressions. I think that recommending Ubuntu is an anachronism from the mid to late 00s.
Experience makes it all much easier, simply because you learn which software to avoid. Having this experience, linux for me is stress free and low hassle. But if you don't want to accumulate that experience, if you want to stay on a default track with the right choices made for you already, then you probably should go with your gut and get a Mac.
Anyway, the "year of the linux desktop" is a joke. The very premise is an old meme that nobody should take seriously, nobody can even agree what it should mean. The year linux became viable for desktop use depends on the person doing the considering. For some it was years ago, for others it will be never.
Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?
#76> a million steam deck this is still just a rumor at this stage as there is no source apart from one guy saying it in a KDE conference. If Valve had indeed shipped more than a million they'd be screaming about it on the rooftops.
Why would they? Private companies don't need to brag.
Yes they do if they want to build excitement and interest in their niche platform. Money isn't the only reason to brag, attention is critical to a platform's success and Valve's Linux-based platform is starting from behind.
Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sleep states are faulty on the Linux laptop I'm currently on, and I do occasionally waste time on interoperability with various commercial software, although countless hours seems excessive. But when it comes to running dev software or getting up and running with a new project, or compiling some github source, I think I save much more time than I've lost.
What frustrates me is that other Linux users will tell you with a straight face that you must be flat-out lying if you bring up sleep problems. Had three users tell me that on HN just about a day ago.
Yea, but this is something unique to Linux, since everyone runs a different distro on different, never 100%-supported, hardware. So, they likely have never run into sleep problems- my desktop linux box doesn't have any at the moment.
Sometimes these difficulties have a silver lining, though, after they force you to learn more about the systems you're using. I thinks it's less of a trial-by-fire than it was even four or five years ago when I switched completely to linux, and only getting easier.
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#78I wonder when Linux can finally gain proper fractional scaling support. Now I know Gnome has it under wayland, but many other applications does not, electron apps sometimes can work with caveats, but I still have to make a lot of effort to make it really look okay to my eye.
Now out of box, everything feels broken here and there. And every time I came to use it as a real desktop environment instead of just a development machine I was distracted by the instinct to fix things without being to get anything done.
I know if someone reside mainly in terminal or use tile-based environment would work okay, but this kind of setup unfortunately does not work for me.
Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sleep states are faulty on the Linux laptop I'm currently on, and I do occasionally waste time on interoperability with various commercial software, although countless hours seems excessive. But when it comes to running dev software or getting up and running with a new project, or compiling some github source, I think I save much more time than I've lost.
What frustrates me is that other Linux users will tell you with a straight face that you must be flat-out lying if you bring up sleep problems. Had three users tell me that on HN just about a day ago.
True and annoying. Writing as a f/t Linux user (Fedora Workstation on a laptop), and I appreciate where it shines enough to choose its particular set of tradeoffs for myself. But there's no doubt Linux users can be annoyingly obdurate about its deficiencies. Similar things crop up in tech circles all the time - eg. Rust programmers informing people having trouble learning Rust that there's nothing hard about it.
Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?
#80If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…
I've been running Arch Linux for about 2 years two high-powered desktop machines (home and work). I run `sudo pacman -Syu` every day and I've only had one video driver update (nvidia) that broke me. I had to login from the CLI (which I'm using all the time anyway) to rollback and pin the version.
It's been an incredibly smooth experience.
That said, the one thing that I still haven't migrated over to fully is Linux on a laptop. I'm macOS on an Apple MacBook Pro 14" (powered by Apple's M1 Pro).