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California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by zbrozek »

ryanSrich wrote: post #53
ryan93 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Texas I’ve been without power for a total of three days in last 15 years and that was a once in a century event

Serendipitously, this tweet popped up almost right before I read your comment - https://twitter.com/ybarrap/status/1606319917229228032?s=46&... I don’t think it’s outrageous to say Texas has one of the worst power grids in the nation. Regardless of your personal experience.

I'm in 94022 (served by PG&E) and in July 2022 there was a 13% chance I would lose power on any given day. I had more than 40 total hours of down time that month.

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Post by xcrunner529 »

JeremyNT wrote: post #320
wysewun wrote: post #43

Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density. So few days of good weather. Maybe worth it to some, but a bigger house was not worth it to me at all. We moved back in 6 months. So many people want to live in California which causes more issues

I'm a southerner (not TX, but living in TN currently) and I really dream of making it to CA some day. The south is cheaper for a reason, and CA is expensive for a reason. You get what you pay for. Red State governance is truly abysmal, the climate is terrible, and there is precious little BLM land to explore. If enough people leave CA to reduce the price (or enough people move to the south to raise the price here) I'…

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Post by matrix12 »

chrisdhoover wrote: post #183
renlo wrote: post #157

How smug are Californians that those who always disagree with them always “must be Republicans”? They really said people are leaving the state because of “political reasons” (ie, “they’re Republicans, aka, ‘non-regrettable attrition’”)? Couldn’t be all of the other reasons could it. I say this as a California native who left for a litany of reasons, last of them being the politics.

I left because it was becoming intolerable. The politics were driving a lower quality of life for me. I’m not on the red or blue team. The problem is there is no longer political balance. Without a check on power, quality of life which includes costs but not limited to money were getting progressively worse.

When $100k electric cars go racing down the HOV lane on 101, you have multiple lanes of stop and go ICE cars. A complete inversion of the efficiencies of each platform.

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Post by zactato »

Fatnino wrote: post #295
andirk wrote: post #253

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When a longtime Californian leaves California, they make a big stink about it like it's a zeitgeist and parlance of our times. And they only move to Portland, OR or Austin, TX. There have been a few to move to New York City, but that is seen as selling out. Lastly, a handful to Colorado but no one has an opinion on that therefore they are ex-communicated until they return to either California, Portland, or Austin.

That's when a democrat moves. Republicans move to Arizona, Texas and Florida

As a rule, we Californias refuse to acknowledge that there are any non-democrats in the state, therefore they can’t move to Florida.

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Post by irrational »

kitsune_ wrote: post #299
andirk wrote: post #253

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When a longtime Californian leaves California, they make a big stink about it like it's a zeitgeist and parlance of our times. And they only move to Portland, OR or Austin, TX. There have been a few to move to New York City, but that is seen as selling out. Lastly, a handful to Colorado but no one has an opinion on that therefore they are ex-communicated until they return to either California, Portland, or Austin.

I'm from Europe and New Mexico looks the most attractive to me.

LOL. You might want to do some research before committing to moving there.

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Post by fundad »

nonethewiser wrote: post #275
fundad wrote: post #198

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California is basically Georgia with 2.5 Atlantas. Of course it can afford to lose Republicans, there are Republicans being born in every corner of the state to replace them. It’s not safely anything, it’s a competitive battle for political control, remember Arnold? (Whispers: this is how it’s supposed to be) Also, Do smart people really think the nation’s richest collection of businesses owners, VCs and executives a…

> Also, Do smart people really think the nation’s richest collection of businesses owners, VCs and executives are a bunch of lefties? You mean a portion of the 1% ?

Yes, the folks with the most influence.

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Post by stouset »

chrisco255 wrote: post #306
stouset wrote: post #274

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Yeah, every time I go home to the Georgian suburbs I have to patiently explain that—while San Francisco certainly has its fair share of obvious and well-publicized problems—if it were really all that bad, people wouldn't be lining up to pay exorbitant amounts in order to live there.

Are they lining up really, any more? I know some tech companies are trying to coerce people back into the bubble, and force them to cram into a narrow valley in central CA, where high rises are generally shunned, just so they can spend 10-20 hours a week commuting into an open office distraction zone, but, remote work is sticky. People are not coming back in the numbers they were. And it's no longer difficult to rais…

> Are they lining up really, any more?

The fact that people are paying the rents being asked is more or less tautological proof of this.

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Post by sidlls »

friedman23 wrote: post #322
sidlls wrote: post #155

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I lived in Florida for a while. Between the ultra-conservative retirees and the over-representation of the tragically hilarious on-point stereotypical poor white rural southerner I thought it was an awful place to live. I get a lot of value for the taxes I pay in California: schools that aren't prohibited from discussing certain scientific topics ("climate change") and that aren't outing LGBQTP+ kids to other kids' p…

Ok, so you think being in a bubble with people that agree with you is worth 16% of your income a year. Meaning if you work 30 years you need to work 4.8 years longer to retire. This doesn't take into account investment returns.

I think earning 1.5X - 3X the wage for the same job as one would in Florida overcomes the tax and COL burden in most cases for which this discussion is applicable. The lowest economic tiers are another matter: but their mobility is limited anyway.

Edit: also, bubble? In what sense? Tech? Sure: there's definitely an assumption about the use and understanding of tech here. Politically? Hardly--this place is an oddball mix of libertarianism, hand-wringing liberalism, apathy, and tons more. It's also not a cultural bubble; the exact opposite in fact, especially compared to Florida.

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Post by weakfortress »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #5

California is a great state in many ways, but it'd be a stretch to say it's even half assed a solution to its housing problem: they've quarter assed it at most. And it does someone no good for a state to be great in many ways if they can't afford to live there. The situation has been dire for some time, but all they do are small incremental steps towards building more housing, it's nowhere close to what's necessary.…

California is a great state? I guess the mass exodus over the last several years is just simply people leaving in excitement.

California is not great. It hasnt been great for a long time. It's hostile to anyone who is not the elite while also mascarading as a progressive paradise. The problem with people leaving is they export the same politics that got California to it's position as a working class hostile state. In the most common states, Oregon, Nevada, and Texas Californians are looked at with great disdain. It tells you something, at least, when even a left-leaning state like Oregon doesn't want you.

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Post by dragonwriter »

dragonwriter wrote: post #292
fundad wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California is basically Georgia with 2.5 Atlantas. Of course it can afford to lose Republicans, there are Republicans being born in every corner of the state to replace them. It’s not safely anything, it’s a competitive battle for political control, remember Arnold? (Whispers: this is how it’s supposed to be) Also, Do smart people really think the nation’s richest collection of businesses owners, VCs and executives a…

> It’s not safely anything, it’s a competitive battle for political control, remember Arnold? Arnold was (with Steve Poizner as Insurance Commissioner) one of the last two Republicans to win in California statewide 16 years ago. Its been 25 years since Republicans held a majority in either House of the legislature, in the past 21 years, 17 years have had Democratic trifectas (control of the Governor’s office and both…

(yes, I said approximately same thing twice about legislative control, one of which involves an off-by-one error. limited edit window or I'd fix it.)
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