The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter

Post by kalleboo » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

lelanthran wrote: post #346

micromacrofoot wrote: post #90

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The majority of the country doesn't live in an area that regularly gets extremely cold and even fewer people drive 100 miles every other day. EVs are always getting better, and they’re already good enough for most people. I live in an area that does get below freezing, and my car preheats the battery before I unplug it to go somewhere while the cabin warms.

> EVs are always getting better, and they’re already good enough for most people. If they're good enough for only most people, why are they mandating it for everyone?

Post by sokoloff » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

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> That makes absolutely no difference at all. That would be very surprising if it were true, given the very large effect density altitude has on airplane performance (engine and wing).

Over what sort of range of height and pressure? It's just about observable with very light and very aerodynamic aircraft at ground level if you can get them cold enough.

Post by jeffrallen » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 2:28 PM UTC

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You're hand waving away a lot of things here. People have the expectation of convenience and the current standard is whatever any regular car can do. When things fall short it can be a major inconvenience or even a deal breaker. > It’s far from “a huge pain”. You name "a huge pain" and someone will disagree. Not having a car at all is far from a huge pain but you still have one, even at a significant price.

What, exactly, is being hand woven away? I’m describing the realities of EV ownership. My car is always plugged in and therefore always at 80%. It takes a few hours after returning from a trip to charge it back up, regardless of the weather or other conditions, and the car is warmed up by the time I get into it using remote defrosting. In fact, during this snowstorm, my car always was consistently completely defroste…

Post by sokoloff » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 2:45 PM UTC

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sokoloff wrote: post #261

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It’s about -3% change in drag force per +10°C change in temp.

Which is like the same as 60 mph vs 59 mph.

Post by Too » Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 3:14 PM UTC

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> not having a 220v outlet in the garage will be like not having a microwave What about the millions of people who live in apartments and rowhouses?

> What about the millions of people who live in apartments and rowhouses? If they have cars, they have a place to park them, and this place can host a charger. Outdoor parking without access controls may have security issues, but that's true without a charging point, too.