So when do rents and house prices go down?
California’s population shrinks for third straight year
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Over by the Great Highway mold can be an issue. But not only there. Yes the cool temps make the humidity very much less noticeable.
No, it's very noticeable. Instead of being hot and damp you've got cold that chills you to the bone and you're still really sticky and damp. It doesn't hurt that things stay very foggy so you can pretty much see the humidity (but not the silver painted trams).
True, it becomes noticeable at night as the winds become stronger and the fog denser.
Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year
#183How smug are Californians that those who always disagree with them always “must be Republicans”? They really said people are leaving the state because of “political reasons” (ie, “they’re Republicans, aka, ‘non-regrettable attrition’”)? Couldn’t be all of the other reasons could it. I say this as a California native who left for a litany of reasons, last of them being the politics.
I left because it was becoming intolerable. The politics were driving a lower quality of life for me. I’m not on the red or blue team. The problem is there is no longer political balance. Without a check on power, quality of life which includes costs but not limited to money were getting progressively worse.
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#184Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density. So few days of good weather. Maybe worth it to some, but a bigger house was not worth it to me at all. We moved back in 6 months. So many people want to live in California which causes more issues
Sounds like me! I'm moving back to CA after ~2 years in Dallas. I didn't hate Dallas, but my fiancee does. But yeah the weather is awful: 115 degree summers, below-freezing winters.
It's hot, but 115-degree summers is an exaggeration. The high is usually around 100 degrees (still too hot, of course). I do much prefer the weather in California.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Once again, you don't get to decide for me what 'the problem is'. You're just framing what you want as objectively what should be. But you're incorrect to frame it that way. You want what you want. I want what i want.
It's more than just framing. It's one set of people telling another set of people what they can and cannot do with the land they own. That seems to be a bit of a tie breaker. The parent you replied to wasn't telling other people what to do with land they owned, he was objecting to people telling him what he could do on land he owned (within reason, like a duplex/triplex, or an accessory dwelling unit). There's no pri…
> within reason, like a duplex/triplex, or an accessory dwelling unit.
OP is literally advocating for building refugee camps, not duplexes.
Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year
#186Quality of life goes down every year here and it becomes more lawless feeling. There are rampant homeless camps in most big cities--Oakland looks worse than a third world country. I can't even imagine running a small business here and what a nightmare it would be.
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#187This is “gross” decline, the backing data has a “net” migration of -113k. NY actually had a much higher net decline at -180k which translates to a 3x higher decline as a percentage (0.9% vs 0.3%). This isn’t necessarily a CA thing as people keep positioning it, it’s a high taxes among other things (like housing, and high mobility)
Well CA might have the best jobs in the world & great weather , for people to move away from there speaks mountains about the issues plaguing the city.
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#188California is a great state in many ways, but it'd be a stretch to say it's even half assed a solution to its housing problem: they've quarter assed it at most. And it does someone no good for a state to be great in many ways if they can't afford to live there. The situation has been dire for some time, but all they do are small incremental steps towards building more housing, it's nowhere close to what's necessary.…
It's not a problem to everyone. For example, it's not a problem to many homeowners that the value of their homes keep going up and to the right. Living in California is expensive, in more ways than just housing. Not everyone can afford it. Just like not everyone can afford a new BMW. In my corner of the state, people who increasingly cannot afford to live here are noisy. I mostly don't engage because I'm aware that I…
I find it problematic that so many people reject your opinion, in particular because I suspect they are probably downplaying the degree to which it parallels the way most Americans think about where they live, to one degree or another.
Your logic isn’t unsound, but it will increasingly come across as unreasonable because not everyone in the workforce has the option of finding employment and accommodation elsewhere.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funnily enough, lots of folks have moved states. I moved my family from Washington to California. Lease - 2K. 3rd party Furniture transport - 2K. 10 day hotel stay 1.5K. 5.5K total cost. You have already admitted that the 40K was double what it would have supposedly cost your friend. Time for you to divide it by a further 50%. Also, the statement that you would have to pay out your entire lease cost is, frankly speak…
$150/night is about as cheap as you'll find in the Bay Area. It'll be too small for a family, probably in a shitty area. A few years ago you might've been able to swing that, but now? No.
I routinely travel to South Bay and 150/night is absolutely a reasonable estimate for a hotel.
Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year
#190How smug are Californians that those who always disagree with them always “must be Republicans”? They really said people are leaving the state because of “political reasons” (ie, “they’re Republicans, aka, ‘non-regrettable attrition’”)? Couldn’t be all of the other reasons could it. I say this as a California native who left for a litany of reasons, last of them being the politics.
I left because it was becoming intolerable. The politics were driving a lower quality of life for me. I’m not on the red or blue team. The problem is there is no longer political balance. Without a check on power, quality of life which includes costs but not limited to money were getting progressively worse.
> I'm not on the red or blue team.
Careful, I have said the same and many assumed it meant I'm far right. The extent of my conservative beliefs are wanting very small government, being anti-war, and wanting a balanced budget. I'm pretty egalitarian otherwise but I don't think that's enough to appease those who invest their lives in identity politics.