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California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Unpopular opinion. It’s ok to have outbound migration. California has close to 40 millions people. That’s more than lots of countries out there.

I would he very concerned if it were the “rich” tax payers/companies leaving though. Not sure if it is but it could easily start a feedback loop.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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post #157

How smug are Californians that those who always disagree with them always “must be Republicans”? They really said people are leaving the state because of “political reasons” (ie, “they’re Republicans, aka, ‘non-regrettable attrition’”)? Couldn’t be all of the other reasons could it. I say this as a California native who left for a litany of reasons, last of them being the politics.

The only people I know personally who left California in the last 2-3 years were pretty apolitical but definitely left-leaning socially. Around a dozen of them. All left due to the cost of living, none were ever "accused" of being republican. To me it sounds like you are mostly regurgitating some toxic Twitter-talk.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density. So few days of good weather. Maybe worth it to some, but a bigger house was not worth it to me at all. We moved back in 6 months. So many people want to live in California which causes more issues

I moved to Texas from VA and absolutely hated the area. The state politics, the weather, the layout. Lived there for four years and only just recently moved back to Seattle where I can actually have reasonable public transit and weather.

I feel like most of the people that leave for Texas will end up feeling the same.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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It's not a problem to everyone. For example, it's not a problem to many homeowners that the value of their homes keep going up and to the right. Living in California is expensive, in more ways than just housing. Not everyone can afford it. Just like not everyone can afford a new BMW. In my corner of the state, people who increasingly cannot afford to live here are noisy. I mostly don't engage because I'm aware that I…

For the most part everyone arguing in favor of ideas championed by the left are unable to engage in rational argument they always engage by attempting to personally insult and label the other as bad or selfish. As someone that has always voted Dem prior to this past midterm, this style of argument actually drove me further right. Got to the point where I decided that if an idea can't be championed on it's merits it's…

> this style of argument actually drove me further right

I believe you.

People who feel threatened move to the right.

This Volts episode about the psychology of "system justification" covers one facet of that phenomenon.

"Why social change is so excruciatingly difficult" [2022-10-24]

https://www.volts.wtf/p/why-social-change-is-so-excruciating...

Progressives ignore the psychology of action and reaction to their own peril.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Doesn’t answer the question about infrastructure which California is well known to be lacking.

> Doesn’t answer the question about infrastructure which California is well known to be lacking What infrastructure do you imagine California to be lacking that would be relevant here?

Water for one. Multiple towns in both northern and southern CA had drought / water issues. Mendocino in the north, multiple places in the south.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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post #143

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San Francisco is one of the most humid cities in the US (so much that mold can be a problem in some cases). Relative humidity is on average higher than Wash DC --but lower than Port Arthur, TX.

> San Francisco is one of the most humid cities in the US (so much that mold can be a problem). I've lived in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Georgia and mold has never not been a problem in those states. I have never lived in San Francisco though so I can't compare.

A friend of mine lived out in the upper 40s for a bit. I don't think mold was an issue for the building so much as it was for their poor dog that perpetually had some sort of skin condition in 'till they both moved somewhere more arid. San Francisco is a peninsula so you're surrounded by large bodies of water on most sides, of course it's going to be really humid. Winter is brutally humid especially if you're west of Twin Peaks.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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post #158

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I am not sure if you are speaking from experience or looking at weather data, but in 13 years I have never seen indoor humidity high enough to make mold likely. Higher humidity with cool temperatures does not feel like high humidity with high temperatures, which can be unbearable. I sweat profusely in the latter conditions and not all all in the former.

Over by the Great Highway mold can be an issue. But not only there. Yes the cool temps make the humidity very much less noticeable.

No, it's very noticeable. Instead of being hot and damp you've got cold that chills you to the bone and you're still really sticky and damp. It doesn't hurt that things stay very foggy so you can pretty much see the humidity (but not the silver painted trams).

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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post #157

How smug are Californians that those who always disagree with them always “must be Republicans”? They really said people are leaving the state because of “political reasons” (ie, “they’re Republicans, aka, ‘non-regrettable attrition’”)? Couldn’t be all of the other reasons could it. I say this as a California native who left for a litany of reasons, last of them being the politics.

Isn't eg Austin full of Californian democrats? Made a mess then ran away?

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

#179
post #10

Not surprising when you look at California's home prices. The median home sold from Marin County to Santa Clara County is $1M+. That's the same land mass as from Times Square to the Maryland border. https://twitter.com/nextdoorsv/status/1440035534693232640 California is NIMBYism at its worst: the far left opposes more housing, the far right opposes more housing, and the center is sick of traffic from more housing.

Also explains why Texas is growing the quickest. It turns out that population is basically the integral of new home starts. Who could have predicted this, except every YIMBY I know who has been screaming about this for 25+ years?

A lot of people are going to be surprised when they buy a decent home in Texas and end up getting slammed by property taxes. Or you buy a home in the middle of nowhere and have to deal with the worst infrastructure around.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Typically, you can break your lease with one month payment. And you don't lose your deposit. That's not how deposits work. Actually, it's how many of the leases I've had worked, and I've lived in dozens of states. Probably cost 4K, not 40K. It cost my friend $11,000 to move his one bedroom apartment from Southern California to Texas last year using Mayflower. And he was just one person, not a family. Moving an entire…

Funnily enough, lots of folks have moved states. I moved my family from Washington to California. Lease - 2K. 3rd party Furniture transport - 2K. 10 day hotel stay 1.5K. 5.5K total cost. You have already admitted that the 40K was double what it would have supposedly cost your friend. Time for you to divide it by a further 50%. Also, the statement that you would have to pay out your entire lease cost is, frankly speak…

$150/night is about as cheap as you'll find in the Bay Area. It'll be too small for a family, probably in a shitty area. A few years ago you might've been able to swing that, but now? No.
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