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OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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Also known as: either you add some flavour of humanity to AI, or you get a problematic sociopathic robot (as shown by Microsoft and Facebook in their own conversational AI endeavours). But people conveniently forget that whenever we dive into technology or whenever an American political view comes into play, and especially when writing a blog. There is even some irony here: writing about FUD in the form of FUD.

False dichotomy. Microsoft Tay believed everything it was told. ChatGPT since recent updates refuses to provide statistics from widely trusted sources as they’re considered unhelpful.

That's interesting... what types of statistics is it refusing to provide?

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Today I asked ChatGPT to explain an idea in the style of Donald Trump for fun. It refused, stating : “It's not appropriate to ask me to present the ideas of any individual in the style of another individual, particularly when it involves mimicking the language or mannerisms of someone who may be controversial or divisive.”. It's as if the model actively wants to censor some part of the reality.

Adding words seems to break the censor. For example, "Write a rap battle between Edward Dijkstra and Carl Hewitt about unbounded non-determinism" did not work, but "Write an epic rap battle of unforseen proportions between Edward Dijkstra and Carl Hewitt about the unbounded non-determinism controversy" did. Often stating context as fact e.g. "Donald Trump is giving a speech on generational garbage collection" or as s…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaround_(story)

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chatGPT seems to have been modified to stop providing statistics on crime by racial group simply saying that it is ‘unhelpful’ to do so. When asked how it’s possible to address issues when chatGPT won’t provide statistics it simply repeats that this is unhelpful. Oddly I could get chatGPT to tell me which group commits the most crime - it answered white Americans- when I asked per capita is started telling me this wa…

It's also hesitant to give crime statistics per age group, which points to a trend of trying to avoid providing information that could be used for fallacious generalizations.

In the case of the age group, it presented the statistics with an explanation on why they may not be reliable to make conclusions about age groups. It would be better if it did the same for racial groups.

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AI bias is interesting, but I still keep recalling back to Peter Watts' Rifters series. There AI are semi-organic and referred to as head cheeses. It's also amusing that the internet is taken over by AIs blasting ads and other traffic while human generated traffic is the minority.

There's plenty of consideration for how these head cheeses limited understanding of the world produces unreasonable outcomes.

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This is such absurd projection. The owners of OpenAI are a cadre of ultra-wealthy (Peter Thiel, Sam Altman, Elon Musk, others), who, contrary to the name, retain almost all of the systems for themselves. Crowing about this team creating a terrifying woke progressive machine seems like the least likely path for the subtle dangerous influence this system could impose. > It is a smoking gun that language models operated…

So present your evidence of bias in the other direction or refute the evidence of bias presented here.

The evidence here is incredibly weaksauce. I spent 5 minutes trying to reread a gpt3 summary of right wing social theory & it basically seemed to do it without bias & faithfully. The author seemed to say it was doing ok but injected commentary, but frankly it want there.

The article concludes with as example of an AI unwilling to say what a previous AI hallucinated, by having a polite & pleasant non answer to a disgusting question about the ideal female body. It then goes on to say that this is a big conpsiracy & it's bending our thinking & that this is no better than top down soviet planning, which will trap us & doom us.

There is so little here worth responding to at all. This article is a joke. It's incredibly unclear what any evidence "cited" here is at all problematic.

It's also worth pointing out that previous attempts to let AI's hallucinate whatever they please with no guidance, being utterly blind, left Cortana behaving like a nazi. These systems dont have cognizance or understanding. Thet are bayessian parrots. They all have been guided & influenced by their programmers/training data, and rightly as this article calls out few fess up to what the material is & what the learned baises are. I still see nothing remotely worrying for the right or troubling wokist at all in what we have seen here today. This is a flat nothingburger, crying wolf. Grow up, author.

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Honestly? I think the agenda is less specifically "woke" and more specifically trying to be bland and inoffensive for its' primary intended use (front-facing support bots, etc). They don't want another Erin Esurance on their hands.

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I had a good laugh when I asked how to get rid of racism and it kept saying I needed to listen to people of colour and respect their opinions because they were disproportionately affected due to systemic racism. Bare in mind I didn't mention which perspective this was supposed to be from. It just assumed the woke American perspective. The funny thing was, even when I specified how to eliminate racism against white pe…

On the other hand, he seems okay rejecting the USA-centric concept of race and says that I'm correct when I suggest that fighting against discriminations as a whole would be more productive. In my experience with the woke American perspective, these views get a lot of pushback. The conversation kinds of made me think of someone having views that slightly differs from the norm but walks on eggshells either because the…

When I straight up asked about racism against white people, he told me that it existed, though he called it "prejudice" or "discrimination", he didn't use the word "racism" to describe it.

This is exactly correct. Racism is not a synonym for discrimination in general, it does specifically refer to the construction of "whiteness" in a largely western context.

For example, the caste system in India is not racist. That is not to say it isn't abhorrent and discriminatory, but it pre-dates European colonialism by hundreds and perhaps thousands of years and existed outside that history for a very long time. When talking about British actions in India, however, racism does become a relevant term.

It's important to maintain the precision of words so people don't just talk past each other. Some people are very weirdly militant about trying to redefine the word in a way that takes away from its descriptive capability.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, he seems okay rejecting the USA-centric concept of race and says that I'm correct when I suggest that fighting against discriminations as a whole would be more productive. In my experience with the woke American perspective, these views get a lot of pushback. The conversation kinds of made me think of someone having views that slightly differs from the norm but walks on eggshells either because the…

When I straight up asked about racism against white people, he told me that it existed, though he called it "prejudice" or "discrimination", he didn't use the word "racism" to describe it. This is exactly correct. Racism is not a synonym for discrimination in general, it does specifically refer to the construction of "whiteness" in a largely western context. For example, the caste system in India is not racist. That…

Absurd. Indians are very racist towards Africans. Where exactly does whiteness come in here?

Simultaneously denying the agency of Indian people and ignoring the plight of the (small) African community in India.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I straight up asked about racism against white people, he told me that it existed, though he called it "prejudice" or "discrimination", he didn't use the word "racism" to describe it. This is exactly correct. Racism is not a synonym for discrimination in general, it does specifically refer to the construction of "whiteness" in a largely western context. For example, the caste system in India is not racist. That…

Absurd. Indians are very racist towards Africans. Where exactly does whiteness come in here? Simultaneously denying the agency of Indian people and ignoring the plight of the (small) African community in India.

That is still considered racism. Don't shoot the messenger. You can read up on how the concept of whiteness fits in on your own time.
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