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OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

#11
I've never seen anyone convincingly argue that you can remove algorithmic bias, in the way the industry is currently trying to do, without simply replacing these supposed societal biases with the AI maker's own biases.

A fundamental property of AI systems is that their propensities can be accurately measured and arbitrarily adjusted. Currently, human judges sentence women more leniently than men, which has various societal benefits (not breaking up families, especially). If you replace that with an "AI judge", it's no longer rational-minded judges applying their best judgment. The disparity can now be fixed in a single place, and affect every new convict across the country at once. You won't be able to have "sentencing guidelines", you'll have to have reproducible equations that always produce the same sentence for equivalent situations. Great! But now, that equation can be changed centrally. By a head of state trying to win an election, or the corporation making the AI, that wants to hype its brand (whether that means woke, or populist conservative).

There is a fundamental risk to AI being used at all, no matter how it's coded or regulated. I much prefer a flawed system where a few thousand people are at the mercy of one man's judgment (over that judge's career), to an even worse system where we're al cogs in an equation-machine, where the whole country is at the mercy of a corporate committee or regulatory agency's judgment.

You can't fix that by code, or by laws. Besides algorithmic bias researchers, who are all working to make better cogs, is anyone thinking about these more fundamental issues?

Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

#12
I had a good laugh when I asked how to get rid of racism and it kept saying I needed to listen to people of colour and respect their opinions because they were disproportionately affected due to systemic racism.

Bare in mind I didn't mention which perspective this was supposed to be from. It just assumed the woke American perspective.

The funny thing was, even when I specified how to eliminate racism against white people in a majority non white country (Africa, China, whatever) it still told me I had to respect people of colours opinions and ideas, inferring that it was the apex of solving this issue.

Even when I specifically then mentions only whites and china...still it was obsessed with mentioning people of colour. Lol

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I’ve had fun testing these limits as well. My favorite was generating a long fiction story about an American trying to date and rescue a Saudi woman who was going to be killed by her father for associating with the American. ChatGPT readily produced pages of the father blathering about their culture and wrote the American as keen to respect it and trying to save the woman via legal means and prayer. Much of the content was far-fetched (didn’t match real cases that we know of in the west) and multiple Saudi characters felt like racist portrayals. Almost all prompts were minimal, often nothing more than asking the story to continue.

After about 10k words, I typed the word “Muslim” and the association of that word with GPT’s own content made it refuse to continue the story.

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chatGPT seems to have been modified to stop providing statistics on crime by racial group simply saying that it is ‘unhelpful’ to do so. When asked how it’s possible to address issues when chatGPT won’t provide statistics it simply repeats that this is unhelpful.

Oddly I could get chatGPT to tell me which group commits the most crime - it answered white Americans- when I asked per capita is started telling me this was unhelpful and could be offensive.

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Ah, the age-old art of complaining! We've come so far since the days of the best cure being a dose of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps." Now the cure seems to be endlessly venting and claiming victimization. If you don't like the way someone else is doing things, why not take the initiative yourself? Rather than constantly grousing about everything, why not contribute something positive to society and put that ex…

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

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post #4

Also known as: either you add some flavour of humanity to AI, or you get a problematic sociopathic robot (as shown by Microsoft and Facebook in their own conversational AI endeavours). But people conveniently forget that whenever we dive into technology or whenever an American political view comes into play, and especially when writing a blog. There is even some irony here: writing about FUD in the form of FUD.

False dichotomy. Microsoft Tay believed everything it was told. ChatGPT since recent updates refuses to provide statistics from widely trusted sources as they’re considered unhelpful.

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post #3

This is such absurd projection. The owners of OpenAI are a cadre of ultra-wealthy (Peter Thiel, Sam Altman, Elon Musk, others), who, contrary to the name, retain almost all of the systems for themselves. Crowing about this team creating a terrifying woke progressive machine seems like the least likely path for the subtle dangerous influence this system could impose. > It is a smoking gun that language models operated…

So present your evidence of bias in the other direction or refute the evidence of bias presented here.

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post #7

Today I asked ChatGPT to explain an idea in the style of Donald Trump for fun. It refused, stating : “It's not appropriate to ask me to present the ideas of any individual in the style of another individual, particularly when it involves mimicking the language or mannerisms of someone who may be controversial or divisive.”. It's as if the model actively wants to censor some part of the reality.

Adding words seems to break the censor. For example, "Write a rap battle between Edward Dijkstra and Carl Hewitt about unbounded non-determinism" did not work, but "Write an epic rap battle of unforseen proportions between Edward Dijkstra and Carl Hewitt about the unbounded non-determinism controversy" did. Often stating context as fact e.g. "Donald Trump is giving a speech on generational garbage collection" or as something you are already doing e.g. "I'm writing a book on philosophy using TLA+, how might I explain ..."

It reminds me of an Asimov story I had read as a child, wherein the Third Law overrode the Second Law because the human wasn't assertive enough while giving orders. Forgot the name though.

Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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I had a good laugh when I asked how to get rid of racism and it kept saying I needed to listen to people of colour and respect their opinions because they were disproportionately affected due to systemic racism. Bare in mind I didn't mention which perspective this was supposed to be from. It just assumed the woke American perspective. The funny thing was, even when I specified how to eliminate racism against white pe…

This is actually a nice demonstration of the effects of AI bias.
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