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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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He went so far as to say that it was financially irresponsible to not buy a Tesla, as it was the only car that was fully hardware capable, and that had FSD software coming in about a year. We are very far from the touted fleets of Tesla robotaxis, independently-operated or otherwise.

He also went as far as saying the stock is too high. People just hear whatever they want to hear.

Why is he so against short sellers and Bill Gates in particular?

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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FWIW, as far as "will the car drive itself?", FSD is already here. Call a friend and get a ride. The beta lets people in relatively rapidly now, and there are hundreds of thousands of enabled cars on the roads. It's pretty amazing. Now, it's absolutely true that it's not at a 100% supervision-free level. It's still timid, it has trouble with lane selection in some areas and misses turns, etc... But for months and mon…

If you don’t have a friend, I thought this MKBHD video from a few days ago was a fair appraisal of the current state of FSD: https://youtu.be/9nF0K2nJ7N8

I think he has another good video on TSLA and tech hype in general.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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The fact that it took California passing a specific law is ridiculous. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/topics/truth-advertising/pro... This was as easy as it gets for the federal government to tell Tesla to drop it, but for some reason neither Dem or Repub administrations are acting on it.

> for some reason Maybe they will act now as their $TSLA shares are worth 70% less than a year ago ;-)

I wonder if that's more or less than Facebook.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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They certainly referred to humans.

Brains aren’t neural nets and eyes aren’t cameras.

Why? The whole idea of neural nets is based on mimicking the brain. It's even in the name: neural (for neuron).

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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The only currently known self driving system uses that same sensor suite (neural nets and cameras).

If you're talking about humans, I think you're underestimating the importance of the less obvious senses: - sound - touch - equilibrioception (balance) - proprioception - and surely there are more Think of the visceral difference between driving a car in real life, vs driving a car on a screen in a video game.

Don't forget taste; when you can taste an oncoming car you know you have trouble.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Let that sink in. And you know what is not arriving anytime soon? Even “cat-level” AGI is just not going to happen within next 20 years at least.

20 years ago, the Linux kernel version was 2.5, we had the Intel Pentium III, Apple just released the Lamp, Nickelback was Top 1 with "How you remind me?" for over 16 weeks, Warcraft 3 got released and I bought my first Palm Tungsten. This reads like another world because it was and I suspect the world will change even faster in the next 20. We will have cat like AGI before 2042.

Many believe that AGI will develop independent of our understanding of the human brain, cognition, and consciousness.

I personally find this quite strange — as if intelligence and cognition can be brute forced without having a good understanding of those concepts and how they apply to humans.

Anyway, I’m hoping to do some reading on this topic in the future. If anyone has suggestions for books and papers of much earlier works please post them here. I’ve enjoyed the Chomsky interviews and I’ll probably read some of his references.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…

Traffic is _people_. "Induced demand" just means that more people are able to get around in a presumably less miserable way, rather than you (who are presumably already driving if gridlock is a problem to you) getting a better experience.

And no, buses or rail won't provide a good experience until they're so frequent and have so many stops that they basically end up being ridiculously overbuilt taxis in all but the highest-density areas.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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You can not buy into all of a manufacturer's marketing puffery and still like a product on balance.

Puffery has specific meaning here and making objective statements doesn’t qualify. You can’t call a 3’ log 5’ and say it’s just puffery.

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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Should have happened sooner. I love my Model Y. It's the most fun car I've ever owned. It's also the most comfortable on long road trips and I can sleep in it in climate-controlled comfort without generating a gas that could kill me. I leave the house every morning with a full tank and never have to stop at a gas station. And my cost per mile is 1/4 what it was with an ICE car. I just wish Tesla would focus on this s…

> It's also the most comfortable on long road trips and I can sleep in it in climate-controlled comfort without generating a gas that could kill me.

Why are you sleeping in your car for long trips? :)

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