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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Ever gone out in a small town or village? Not much changed in the last 20 years, it was mostly at home. Take away the flatscreens, smartphones, tablets and calendars (doh) and nobody could tell you if it's the 00s, 10s or 20s.

Uh, yes, that's my point. Now I'm not sure which side of this question you're on.

The one that says that despite almost everything staying the same everything changed. We can go into socioeconomics if you really want...

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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The feature is impossible to implement with the sensor suite that comes with the car.

It is pretty trivial to disprove that: A human could no doubt "remotely" drive using the current Tesla cameras. So the sensor suite might be more challenging than alternatives, but obviously not impossible. You could however argue that the current computer isn't powerful enough to run the software required for vision based L3/L4.

>A human could no doubt "remotely" drive using the current Tesla cameras.

I have doubts about that. I wouldn't want to remotely drive that without much better cameras at the very least. Advanced planning to be in the right lane or avoid obstacles is hard when the details are just a couple pixels.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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How times have changed since Tesla was untouchable here. What happened and why does everyone talk like they've always hated Tesla (and Elon)? Surely it's mostly the same crowd as when Tesla was loved and Elon a superstar.

HN is a forum with a lot of people in it with different opinions. Speaking as one of those who's always disliked Tesla and been turned off by Musk, one explanation is that the skeptics now feel more empowered to speak out than they did before. Also, depending on how far back you're talking, you may be overestimating how much unadulterated love there was for it before: I've been following conversations on Tesla here f…

I think the biggest shift is less the emergence of skepticism which was always there, and more that the people who would previously counter that Elon had always shown impeccable judgement and laser focus on big decisions, that we should trust him the promised FSD would be delivered soon or that he truly believed in the cause of free speech and would completely transform social media for the better tend to have gone a bit quiet.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Uh, yes, that's my point. Now I'm not sure which side of this question you're on.

The one that says that despite almost everything staying the same everything changed. We can go into socioeconomics if you really want...

Hard pass. Thanks for your time.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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FSD is a Boondoggle. (Collision/accident avoidance and driver assist systems are not) I don't think we will see a legitimate L5 automation in our lifetimes. Take my 1.5 mile journey to do the morning school run, in a small UK town: - Getting off the driveway, there is a wall that creates a blind spot behind it, often other parents are walking small kids who are shorter than that wall. I can't see behind it. I check d…

In the US going around a vehicle turning out of the traffic lane is illegal. Of course people still do it all the time.

The cooperation stuff is going to be harder (though if you have automatic drivers in a majority of vehicles you can imagine the systems planning together).

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…

> Or we can continue burning tens of billions on self driving personal vehicles.

Your comment operates on the assumption that autonomous buses provide greater net utility than a "manned" bus - sure, without a driver's seat you might add a row of seats, but are two more seats worth the R&D money to design the bus, and all the cameras and sensors that have to be added to the bus and then maintained for years to come?

To me, autonomous driving features are a luxury item - a convenience reserved for those who can afford it, until it becomes cheap enough to find its way into more affordable vehicles.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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FSD = fraudulent sales and disappointment I can’t believe Tesla has gotten away with selling a feature that doesn’t exist, and will never be delivered, on so many cars for so long. Tesla began selling “full self-driving” in October, 2016 and a month later marketed it with (now known to be heavily controlled) video of a car driving itself for two minutes. Owners of those initial cars have probably paid them off by now…

How is it different than kickstarter? Genuine question. Is it because Tesla is a large company and should have self funded it?

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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20 years ago, the Linux kernel version was 2.5, we had the Intel Pentium III, Apple just released the Lamp, Nickelback was Top 1 with "How you remind me?" for over 16 weeks, Warcraft 3 got released and I bought my first Palm Tungsten. This reads like another world because it was and I suspect the world will change even faster in the next 20. We will have cat like AGI before 2042.

Your examples work against you, I think. So, in 20 years we have some incremental improvements. I think ‘82 - ‘02 was a bit more dramatic than your example. AGI requires crossing a barrier that we don’t really know is realistically possible with the type of technology we have currently. There are a lot of pop crap radio now, WoW just released another expansion, the latest iPhone has some pretty forgettable features c…

The jump from 134,000 (82) to 9.5 million (02) transistors was a significant one, but it's nothing compared to the leaps and bounds made when transitioning to 20 billion transistors (2022). It's a staggering difference that truly demonstrates the magnitude of the advances made in the last 20 years. The 80s and early 90s were computational winters.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…

> Or we can continue burning tens of billions on self driving personal vehicles. Your comment operates on the assumption that autonomous buses provide greater net utility than a "manned" bus - sure, without a driver's seat you might add a row of seats, but are two more seats worth the R&D money to design the bus, and all the cameras and sensors that have to be added to the bus and then maintained for years to come? T…

you're thinking about it wrong. the utility gained is not in the space, but in the fact that you can run more frequent service
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