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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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The feature is impossible to implement with the sensor suite that comes with the car.

The only currently known self driving system uses that same sensor suite (neural nets and cameras).

It also takes almost 2 decades to train them (individually), not likely sustainable for a car seller.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.x... Wow introduced end of feb this year and passed by end of this year. Looking from outside, I am Amazed by the speed of American democracy .

Laws probably shouldn't be passed in ultra fast fashion to give democracy some room to happen (people discussing the pros and cons and given room to actually accept or decline rather than being pushed into force prematurely).

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Tens of millions of people live in places where frequent bus service simply isn't practical. It's probably reasonable for society to make choices that overall incentivize against living in those areas, but that isn't going to change where people live anytime soon. And you can just use taxes to control any induced demand that comes from lower costs or new behaviors. The vehicles have sophisticated tracking systems and…

Buses are as large as they are because the driver's time is valuable. If self-driving cars were cheap you could a bunch of 8 person van/busses on the road that give you most of the environmental/traffic benefit of a bus but could really expand frequency and reach.

If you shrink down 8 person busses to 5 people you have a normal passenger car.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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The feature is impossible to implement with the sensor suite that comes with the car.

The only currently known self driving system uses that same sensor suite (neural nets and cameras).

If you are referring to humans, we have a couple orders of magnitude more connections, our neurons can achieve the same functions at 1 order of magnitude fewer numbers, and our brain has better inductive biases.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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I assume if there were more self-driving cars, fewer people would own cars. I think more people would take Ubers, Lyfts, and other ride sharing services. So I think that could reduce the need for parking and the amount of traffic just by increasing the utilization rate of cars.

I don’t think self-driving cars lead to fewer people owning cars, in fact it’s quite the opposite. With FSD, those who don’t like driving can deal with owning a car to do necessary transportation tasks (e.g. commuting), instead of giving it up for alternative methods because they don’t want to drive consciously/presently.

Owning a self driving car you can always regulate using taxes etc. If too many people start using self driving cars you would increase taxes on owning those. I don't see that being an actual problem.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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read the study I linked - what you suppose does not and has not happened in practice.

Ah ok, I'll check it out. I'm curious if self-driving Ubers would be a step change tho, or if we would observe the same thing. Edit: because if we half self-driving cars, do we also get self-driving buses and now we can have a lot more bus routes? Is lack (or cost) of labor one thing that holds back the number of buses we have? Could we have more mini buses? Just curious how much the labor factors into the transit op…

I assume with autonomous driving, scheduled and computer dispatched minibuses/shuttle buses would be more common. Labor is a fairly large component of public transit. Of course, you don't remotely eliminate that for various reasons but reducing the need for drivers almost certainly makes alternative forms of transit more economical.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Good. Back when I believed in Tesla and its owner, this excited me. But the more you look into it, the more you experience it, the more you know about it and its delays, it's clear we'll be lucky to have actual FSD in 10-20 years. I think even that's optimistic.

I'm glad this is being recognised at legislative level. Objective people on the ground have known this for at least 5 years ...

One regret is that, while Tesla have forged a place for EV's in the world market, the waste of talent and time spent on FSD (and competitors trying to immitate and catch up on the promise of FSD specifically) has been tragic. I can only hope the secondary outcomes of that time are worth it.

Honestly, decent auto stop-start in very slow traffic and excellent lane-holding cruise control would have been enough for me ... and that's been available for a decade.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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The only currently known self driving system uses that same sensor suite (neural nets and cameras).

This is wrong. Waymo uses both lidar and radar, which Tesla opted to remove. Also, look at Waymo's cars. Those things have sensors strapped all over in ways that give them lots of range and visibility. Tesla will never do that because it compromises the aesthetic. https://waymo.com/waymo-driver/

They certainly referred to humans.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.x... Wow introduced end of feb this year and passed by end of this year. Looking from outside, I am Amazed by the speed of American democracy .

A recent candidate for the U.S. Senate from California built his entire campaign on exposing the truth about Tesla FSD and spent millions doing so[0]. I must have seen his campaign commericials on TV at least 20 or 30 times during the campaign.

[0]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/us/politics/california-se...

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

#170

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I assume if there were more self-driving cars, fewer people would own cars. I think more people would take Ubers, Lyfts, and other ride sharing services. So I think that could reduce the need for parking and the amount of traffic just by increasing the utilization rate of cars.

Really? Do you find Uber and Lyft to be affordable or a financially sensible means of regular transportation?

I don't own a car, and I use Uber etc for everywhere I go. In the end it's cheaper for me than to own a car.
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