FSD = Future Self Driving
Full Self Driving, I believe.
California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW, as far as "will the car drive itself?", FSD is already here. Call a friend and get a ride. The beta lets people in relatively rapidly now, and there are hundreds of thousands of enabled cars on the roads. It's pretty amazing. Now, it's absolutely true that it's not at a 100% supervision-free level. It's still timid, it has trouble with lane selection in some areas and misses turns, etc... But for months and mon…
Other companies have cars one public streets without drivers. Calling what current Tesla’s do Full Sell Driving is so misleading it’s probably just fraud.
As an owner in the FSD beta, I think the most misleading thing is Elon's BS time lines. When I bought in August 2019, they were basically telling everyone they have it ready to be a taxi next year with a flip of a switch. Implying they already have it figured out when they didn't. I bought my car with FSD and didn't get into the Beta until a year after they were suppose to be ready for use as a taxi. At this point for me, it's not really good enough to use on city/rural streets without frequent interventions. I pretty much only use self driving on the highway, which is currently using a separate stack than FSD Beta. They are suppose to start using the same stack for highways soon.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#23FSD = Future Self Driving
Full Scary Driving
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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#24Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…
The roads will be so gridlocked no one will drive on them anymore /s.
Seriously though there are ways of reducing traffic on the roads like increased registration taxes, raising the price of tolls, gas price hikes (or equivalent dc fast charging price hikes). Gridlock won’t be a problem.
DC fast charging price hikes will be especially effective at reducing robotaxi usage as unlike privately owned EVs, robotaxis will primarily rely on fast charging.
Also don’t forget about how much traffic flow will improve because self driving cars don’t get impatient and tailgate.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#25Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…
You’re getting downvoted but you’re not necessarily wrong.
I love the idea of self driving vehicles and I’m excited about them, but I harbor no illusions about them fixing traffic. The key question I would ask to self driving proponents is this - if you waved your magic wand and suddenly changed every car on the road to self driving…how would that impact traffic? At the very least traffic wouldn’t decrease. You could maybe marginally increase throughput by using tighter tolerances between cars, but I’m guessing the difference wouldn’t be substantial.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#26Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…
The roads will be so gridlocked no one will drive on them anymore /s. Seriously though there are ways of reducing traffic on the roads like increased registration taxes, raising the price of tolls, gas price hikes (or equivalent dc fast charging price hikes). Gridlock won’t be a problem. DC fast charging price hikes will be especially effective at reducing robotaxi usage as unlike privately owned EVs, robotaxis will…
> Seriously though there are ways of reducing traffic on the roads like increased registration taxes, raising the price of tolls, gas price hikes (or equivalent dc fast charging price hikes). Gridlock won’t be a problem.
Yes, this is why traffic is so minimal in the top 10 MSAs in America.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#27Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…
Tens of millions of people live in places where frequent bus service simply isn't practical. It's probably reasonable for society to make choices that overall incentivize against living in those areas, but that isn't going to change where people live anytime soon.
And you can just use taxes to control any induced demand that comes from lower costs or new behaviors. The vehicles have sophisticated tracking systems and telematics built right in.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#28FSD = Future Self Driving
Faux Self Driving
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> that it’s further away than anyone thought. No no, only musk was stupid enough to imply level 5 autonomy within x years. Everyone know how hard it is, realtime accurate position, machine perception of roads, & accurate prediction of cars/lorries/other are all very difficult problems. Then to hobble your team by saying "blah blah blah no lidars" because they are expensive and someone from the ML team convinced you t…
Let’s not pretend Apple, Uber, Google and countless others weren’t spending billions trying to make this a reality. They didn’t burn that money because they were smart enough to know it wasn’t going to happen. Everyone thought it was imminent. Many still do.
Billions of dollars for Apple and Google are within the realm of no-nonsense moonshots given that their core business is very solid.
Tesla had to use all their weapons including fraud, exagerations and lies because their core business is the worst business in the world: manufacturing automobiles.
So they have essentially nothing to fall back on if FSD fails.