California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#2How much could the recent Musk meltdown be related to FSD just not arriving? It seems like we have reached a point after many years of FSD being “next year” when it’s becoming clear that it’s further away than anyone thought.
I’ve thought the difficulty was being vastly underestimated for a while. A reusable Lunar and Mars shuttle system is probably a lot easier than actual FSD.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#3How much could the recent Musk meltdown be related to FSD just not arriving? It seems like we have reached a point after many years of FSD being “next year” when it’s becoming clear that it’s further away than anyone thought. I’ve thought the difficulty was being vastly underestimated for a while. A reusable Lunar and Mars shuttle system is probably a lot easier than actual FSD.
If only because you're probably doing two dozen moon missions a year TOPS - probably far less than that - but FSD needs to handle millions of trips flawlessly.
But yeah, at some point he should have wised up and stopped saying that FSD was gonna be ready Any Day Now.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#4Take that Elon...
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#5How much could the recent Musk meltdown be related to FSD just not arriving? It seems like we have reached a point after many years of FSD being “next year” when it’s becoming clear that it’s further away than anyone thought. I’ve thought the difficulty was being vastly underestimated for a while. A reusable Lunar and Mars shuttle system is probably a lot easier than actual FSD.
FWIW, as far as "will the car drive itself?", FSD is already here. Call a friend and get a ride. The beta lets people in relatively rapidly now, and there are hundreds of thousands of enabled cars on the roads. It's pretty amazing. Now, it's absolutely true that it's not at a 100% supervision-free level. It's still timid, it has trouble with lane selection in some areas and misses turns, etc... But for months and months intervention-free drives in my area have been the rule and not the exception. My car, for sure, drives me around. It's pretty amazing.
But that's not regulatory approval, and coverage of the issue tends to conflate the two. So you have people like you who read this stuff, but don't get rides from friends, who think somehow it's a disaster and a failure. But it's an actual product people are buying and using. Add that to all the folks who have a vested interest[1] in Tesla failing, and... the discourse around this subject is pretty toxic.
All I can say is, again, call a friend and get a ride. There's a lot of hate to push through, but the cars are amazing.
[1] Because, to be fair, the CEO is an asshole burning Twitter to the ground as we write.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#6How much could the recent Musk meltdown be related to FSD just not arriving? It seems like we have reached a point after many years of FSD being “next year” when it’s becoming clear that it’s further away than anyone thought. I’ve thought the difficulty was being vastly underestimated for a while. A reusable Lunar and Mars shuttle system is probably a lot easier than actual FSD.
If only because you're probably doing two dozen moon missions a year TOPS - probably far less than that - but FSD needs to handle millions of trips flawlessly. But yeah, at some point he should have wised up and stopped saying that FSD was gonna be ready Any Day Now.
The hard thing about FSD is related to the scale. It’s the long tail of situations it has to deal with, many of which require some kind of model or understanding of the world outside the car.
It’s the worst sort of problem, one where 10% of the work gets you 90% of the way there and the other 90% of the work is needed to get you the other 10%. Problems like this are really bad for creating this mirage that you’ve almost got it when in reality you are far from the end.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#7FSD = Future Self Driving
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
If only because you're probably doing two dozen moon missions a year TOPS - probably far less than that - but FSD needs to handle millions of trips flawlessly. But yeah, at some point he should have wised up and stopped saying that FSD was gonna be ready Any Day Now.
The hard thing about FSD is related to the scale. It’s the long tail of situations it has to deal with, many of which require some kind of model or understanding of the world outside the car. It’s the worst sort of problem, one where 10% of the work gets you 90% of the way there and the other 90% of the work is needed to get you the other 10%. Problems like this are really bad for creating this mirage that you’ve alm…
I dinged you for this in a different comment too, but it's clearer here: you're doing exactly the conflation of "Full Self Driving" the product with "Full Autonomy" the concept that the linked law is trying to prevent!
The former has value and people will buy it even if the latter can't be delivered in totality. Making Tesla rename their product does not mean their cars magically stop driving themselves, and especially does not mean that there isn't a market for people (that's me, hi!) who want cars that can drive themselves.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#9How much could the recent Musk meltdown be related to FSD just not arriving? It seems like we have reached a point after many years of FSD being “next year” when it’s becoming clear that it’s further away than anyone thought. I’ve thought the difficulty was being vastly underestimated for a while. A reusable Lunar and Mars shuttle system is probably a lot easier than actual FSD.
If only because you're probably doing two dozen moon missions a year TOPS - probably far less than that - but FSD needs to handle millions of trips flawlessly. But yeah, at some point he should have wised up and stopped saying that FSD was gonna be ready Any Day Now.
He went so far as to say that it was financially irresponsible to not buy a Tesla, as it was the only car that was fully hardware capable, and that had FSD software coming in about a year. We are very far from the touted fleets of Tesla robotaxis, independently-operated or otherwise.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#10How much could the recent Musk meltdown be related to FSD just not arriving? It seems like we have reached a point after many years of FSD being “next year” when it’s becoming clear that it’s further away than anyone thought. I’ve thought the difficulty was being vastly underestimated for a while. A reusable Lunar and Mars shuttle system is probably a lot easier than actual FSD.
FWIW, as far as "will the car drive itself?", FSD is already here. Call a friend and get a ride. The beta lets people in relatively rapidly now, and there are hundreds of thousands of enabled cars on the roads. It's pretty amazing. Now, it's absolutely true that it's not at a 100% supervision-free level. It's still timid, it has trouble with lane selection in some areas and misses turns, etc... But for months and mon…
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