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Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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She’s the queen of wallstreetbets. I think she’ll hold the yolo record for a long time. I wish we knew what the fateful market play was that sunk her ship. She mentioned she’s not a fan of stop losses, so I wonder if she went to bed with an open market position and woke up to negative three billion. Also I wonder if the entity on the other side of that trade realized they were making someone insolvent. It’ll be inter…

> She mentioned she’s not a fan of stop losses At the volume they were trading, stop losses are no longer practical. The market is not infinitely deep.

I've never understood how stop losses are supposed to help. Traders read heaps of news, do God knows what technical analysis yet simple "moves bit too much in wrong direction" is supposed to be an acceptable exit strategy.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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I think you are assuming way too much here. She's not the queen of anything, she's a fraudster that will spend a long time in jail and that has probably much less understanding of the mechanisms involved than you give her credit for. If she did she wouldn't be in the position she's in. The last thing we really need is for people to start lionizing her.

That ship has long sailed. She's coming out of this with a slap on the wrist because she ratted on SBF. She's a hero of the alt right because her Tumblr is full of creepy eugenics shit. She has a pervo following for being a poly sex fiend (allegedly). She's going to write a book, sell her movie rights, etc. and live a life of luxury as the woman that took down SBF and FTX (who will be remembered as the real fraudster…

Years in prison is not a slap on the wrist.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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I think you are assuming way too much here. She's not the queen of anything, she's a fraudster that will spend a long time in jail and that has probably much less understanding of the mechanisms involved than you give her credit for. If she did she wouldn't be in the position she's in. The last thing we really need is for people to start lionizing her.

But she’s highly regarded! It’s all just a little joke. Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets . Also https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jg85H26wyLk She certainly earned her sentence, and I have no sympathy for her. But isn’t it hard not to be at least a little impressed with the sheer scale of her losses? Getting in the record books for “most money lost by a single individual” is a hard thing to do in general.

> It’s all just a little joke.

We don't share the same concept of humor then.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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>In the absence of a comprehensive regulatory framework over digital assets, the CFTC will use all of its existing power and authority to protect all market participants, while ensuring the integrity of commodity markets

Honestly it's good to see that the responsible American institutions still seem to be reasonably quick and effective when it comes to prosecuting the relevant people here, but can we finally get that comprehensive regulatory framework in question?

Legislators need to stop being asleep at the wheel. Be it the US or the EU or someone else finally needs to take the air out of this entire ecosystem that enables these fraudulent schemes in the first place.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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Two counts of wire fraud, two counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to commit commodities fraud, conspiracy to commit securities fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Maximum sentence of 110 years.

This outcome came about so quickly because she turned state's evidence, in return for what is likely to be an extreme reduction from that maximum (not that it was really a possibility, as a first offender)

She’s still probably not getting out in less than 5 years

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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Didn't Tether get ordered the other day to disclaim all of its reserves? What happened to that? I find it incredible they keep surviving attempts to reveal exactly how the sausage is made in their reserves. https://www.yahoo.com/video/stablecoin-issuer-tether-ordered...

It seems like they were ordered to give the plaintiffs the documents, but they weren’t ordered to publicly release them. NYAG also looked into them last year. They were fined but it doesn’t seem like anything else came of it. > The New York Attorney General’s probe into Tether’s reserves concluded in February 2021 with an $18.5 million settlement. I don’t hold any tether, and I wouldn’t recommend it to others. But th…

> I don’t hold any tether, and I wouldn’t recommend it to others. But the common opinion that Tether is insolvent might be wrong. Tether, as a stable business, is a money printing machine. I’m not sure it’d be worth risking the business and jail time to pump shitcoins

I encourage you to watch Coffeezilla's video about Tether. There's lots of shady stuff going on behind the scenes, like them borrowing $383M from Bitfinex and showing that to an auditor to prove they were solvent (~20:00).

https://youtu.be/-whuXHSL1Pg

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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I don't see an implication that this person is personally fucked by FTX/Alameda, just mad that fraudsters are rolling in dough (til they get caught anyway, as they say, high risk high reward)

Yes. Exactly. Every day I wake up and I have to hear about some next cunt I've never heard of before. "Richest before 30!". Some other trillionaire. Some other little kid son of ivy's who ran away with another billion. It's always some fucking scam. Every fucking day. What is the point anymore? I'm a regular cunt who wants to do regular cunt things but I have to wake up to news that Google is planning a 30B "tech par…

That one word doesn't translate well across countries. And in the US will come across as misogyny, which will affect how people interpret everything else you said.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Tether get ordered the other day to disclaim all of its reserves? What happened to that? I find it incredible they keep surviving attempts to reveal exactly how the sausage is made in their reserves. https://www.yahoo.com/video/stablecoin-issuer-tether-ordered...

It seems like they were ordered to give the plaintiffs the documents, but they weren’t ordered to publicly release them. NYAG also looked into them last year. They were fined but it doesn’t seem like anything else came of it. > The New York Attorney General’s probe into Tether’s reserves concluded in February 2021 with an $18.5 million settlement. I don’t hold any tether, and I wouldn’t recommend it to others. But th…

Well, FTX, as a stable business, should be a money printing machine - but that definitely wasn't an obstacle for its leaders to risk the business and jail time to speculate with customers' funds.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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post #42

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That ship has long sailed. She's coming out of this with a slap on the wrist because she ratted on SBF. She's a hero of the alt right because her Tumblr is full of creepy eugenics shit. She has a pervo following for being a poly sex fiend (allegedly). She's going to write a book, sell her movie rights, etc. and live a life of luxury as the woman that took down SBF and FTX (who will be remembered as the real fraudster…

Years in prison is not a slap on the wrist.

She hasn't been sentenced yet. We don't know what the terms of her deal are but they almost certainly involve leniency in the sentencing. Her lawyer likely tried to make a case that the big bad evil SBF sexually manipulated her into committing fraud and actually she's the real victim here.
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