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Post by jamie_ca »

kybernetyk wrote: post #751
mrbuttons454 wrote: post #710

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Nova is fantastic, btw

I know. But their "$99 then $49/year" price is somehow off putting to me. Now I know this is stupid. Because before this model was en vogue I bought a lot of software (Omnifocus for example, or 1Password) and I bought paid upgrades every time there were some available. But this "you just pay $49/year to get upgrades" is somehow psychologically completely different for me. I know it's pretty much the same - but the su…

Honestly, I think Agenda [1] had a brilliant take on this - a free version with baseline features, and a continual improvement of "Pro" features. Pay for it once, get all the current pro features plus whatever they release as pro in the next year. Then your feature set freezes at that level, and whenever you feel like they've added something worth the pro price point, you pay for the catch-up and another year.

They get to maintain one version of the app, with a reasonable number of feature flags, and users get to pay when something adds value.

[1] https://agenda.com/

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Post by jacktribe »

You may feel differently in a couple of years, and if you do, consider a business with tangible goods or in-person services, where you see immediate results. It's unlikely it will have the growth of a tech startup, but you will get some satisfaction with every product/service you deliver.

I've been bouncing between writing code and work-with-your-hands type startups for 16 years and it has kept me (arguably) sane.

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Post by chrischen »

svnt wrote: post #573
chrischen wrote: post #277

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The US is prized because of its large market… not because it’s a tax dodge. The US dan cut off access to any company unwilling to pay local taxes just like how China forces any foreign company wanting to tap into its large market to give majority control to a local entity.

The US is absolutely a tax dodge because of low capital gains taxes and low corporate tax rates. Marginal personal income tax rates, which is what others keep comparing here, are only relevant for wage earners.

It's all relative isn't it? Singapore is a tax dodge, but I would't characterize low corporate income taxes as a tax dodge. How does one get money out of a corporation if not via marginal personal income tax rates?

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Post by rchaud »

themitigating wrote: post #92
vineyardmike wrote: post #75

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> Why do "indiehackers" want attention from and create products for other "indiehackers"? They’re influencers. That’s why people want their attention. I think it kinda has the look of a cool lifestyle from the outside (to some). They’re digital nomads and they travel to cool places and meeting cool people and tweeting big graphs that go up and to the right. They disavow lots of possessions (again a nomad) while profe…

I thought digital nomads were mostly remote workers who just wanted to travel. What is an indie business?

> What is an indie business?

Mostly video courses, job board websites, affiliate link hustles.

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Post by yccheok »

Spending time on social media platforms like Twitter, ProductHunt, and IndieHacker can often have negative effects on mental health, as seeing others' successes and high earnings can cause feelings of toxic jealousy and comparison.

To improve mental health, it may be beneficial for the author to reduce their time on these platforms and focus on practical tasks such as talking to customers, finding new customers, and developing their product. These actions can lead to a more fulfilling and balanced life.

If the author feels that quitting these social media platforms entirely is the best decision for their mental health, that is a valid choice. Alternatively, the author may find it more mentally healthy to transition from being a solo entrepreneur to an employee with a stable monthly paycheck. Ultimately, the goal is to find a path that leads to greater happiness and well-being.

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Post by marcossponton »

KETpXDDzR wrote: post #760
moooo99 wrote: post #722

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> This is just startup porn. It’s the same in any category (make money flipping houses!, crypto!, etc.) As a rule of thumb, assume 99% of influencers are full of shit. Stay off instagram. This 100x! Many of the big influencers in these indie/startup/productivity niches seem to earn a lot of money at first sight. If you look deeper, a lot of these influencer seem to be making a lot of money from courses they are selli…

My all time favorite is Robert T. Kiyosaki's book "Poor dad, rich dad". Pretty much everything he teaches about financial success is fiction. In reality he worked a regular 9 to 5 job, failed at starting his own business, and finally made money by selling this book and providing seminars.

Basically, how VCs works too. And that's why we have to take their feedback carefully.

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Post by prottog »

danaris wrote: post #349
IronIvan wrote: post #314

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This type of thinking is pure toxin because it essentially reinforces exactly what you don't want. If Peter did in fact work hard and now he's stripped of the results of his labor while being told that probably he only managed to accumulate capital because he was just exploiting others, what incentive landscape does that create. Is a lot of profit a function of factors much less commendable than creating value for ot…

Nobody, at least in the US system, gets very wealthy just by working hard. At the very least, you have to start out with wealth or a strong support system (which is down to luck in your input conditions), or get fantastically lucky in your first(-ish) attempt at starting something. Then, if you want to make the kind of money that, say, Bezos or Musk makes, you have to make the kinds of decisions that many of us simpl…

Nobody anywhere gets very wealthy just by working hard. Otherwise the world would be filled with millionaire janitors.

> if you're using the excess to make yourself more money, rather than help improve other people's lives, you are being selfish at a level that makes you effectively indistinguishable from evil.

If you're using your business to create value for millions of people, you are in fact improving millions of lives by the amount of value created. If you capture a little bit of that value for yourself and become fantastically rich, good for you and good for the system that enabled this whole thing. Even better for you if you decide to give some of it away, but to call you evil if you don't? I suppose your own belt could be tightened a bit more so that you could give more away?

Other than what arises from rent-seeking behavior, profit is not inherently immoral.

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

marcusverus wrote: post #576
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #457

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> Dude at least tell us what you were working on? Why doe sit matter? Jesus, he was just institutionalized, you people are cruel. And who cares about how long ago the account was created?

OP is not a delicate butterfly. Get off your high horse.

What does having psychiatric issues have to do with being a "delicate butterfly"? I have schizoaffective bipolar disorder, nothing delicate about me.

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Post by albanx123 »

I failed different time, it is not about giving up, it is about just trying. If you have passion and time you can try again. You can take time off, work in 9-5 job, and after try again. many twitter indee "startupers" are just fakers, or hyperbooled. I invested lot of time my time, working late nights, and still failed, I sold some software, made some money for a period of time, then died, and that is fine. I kept working in 9-5 job as I do today, and still trying new stuff. Keep trying and do not mind.

It is super hard to succeed and it is not like easy like the twitter bulls claim. I have seen friend succeed but literally not having a life. Getting the right idea in the right moment sometimes is just luck. Not 99% but 99.9999% percent of influencers are full of shit, I can guarantee you that a real startuper does not have 1 minute free to piss, meanwhile the successful "influencers" stay 10 hours on social praising about their achievements.

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