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24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by spixy »

ChoGGi wrote: post #74
andrewstuart wrote: post #64

This is one of the primary resaons I ditched Windows for Macos. The multitasking on Windows is ridiculously bad. Also, applications that freeze and can't be killed/restarted are simply part of life on Windows. Add to all that, Window slows down over time - again, the periodic reformat and rebuild is part of life on Windows. After I switched to Mac I didn't need to rebuild the operating system essentially ever. Also,…

> Add to all that, Window slows down over time - again, the periodic reformat and rebuild is part of life on Windows. My windows install is from 201*, it was an upgrade from win7, and switched from an i7 to a ryzen. I do clean out the registry/startup/task scheduler on occasion.

2015, for a year or so on insider builds, upgrated i5 to ryzen, migrated primary partition from SATA SSD to M.2 SSD

no registry cleaning, only cleaning temp files with built-in app in Settings

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by stavros »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #227
stavros wrote: post #208

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What are you talking about, it's not rare at all. My desktop is exactly like that.

Your desktop has a 99wh battery and you carry it with you on the plane?

Hey, if you want all that, you need to make sacrifices!

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by nikanj »

xmodem wrote: post #222
wil421 wrote: post #190

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Yes it is. I’ve heard from Hackintosh Overclocker types that Apples ACPI[1] tables are the best and most of the PC motherboard manufacturers are compete garbage. Including WTF how does this hardware even function moments. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACPI

I assume things are better these days, but back in 2005 the thing that lead me to switch to mac was seeing a friend with a powerbook which had a sleep mode that actually worked.

I grabbed my (sleeping, lid closed) macbook from my desk this morning. When I pulled the charger to put it into my bag, I started hearing the faint audio of the youtube video I was playing when I closed the lid last night.

Macs today sleep like Windows machines a decade ago

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by nix23 »

redeeman wrote: post #187
nix23 wrote: post #153

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I can crash Linux(all tested distros >5 for at leat 3 years) and FreeBSD reliable with Thunderbird, it's a terrible application and a statement for GUI-oss-applications....pure shame.... Edit: and no, not with root or a "wheel"-User

please provide a step by step guide on how to do this

Having 1000's of Mails in TB (maildir or mailbox) in at least 5 accounts, then right click on a big folder and click "repair", when it starts to login (before synchronization of header starts) remove the Ethernet cable (no other connection shall be active) click around in TB in a frenzy manner (go "offline", try to repair again, open menus etc), and see your TB freeze then your X11 session, sometimes if your lucky the system crashes (works best with intel GPU's..the crash i mean).

The slower your imap the faster the freeze, Gmail works best.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by nailer »

rbanffy wrote: post #230
nailer wrote: post #188

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> as long as I run the make under a nice Regular users don't understand CPU quotas. It should be done by default. The current behavior on Windows/Mac/Linux of allowing a program to make the machine uncontrollable is poor.

This will probably change as we get more cores and performance/efficiency ones. Macs already run a lot of the low-priority tasks on their slow cores leaving the fast ones available for interactive activities. I don't disagree on the current approach though. If I start a, say, long build job from a terminal window, I have control over the resources it can take. If, OTOH, I start a program from the GUI, it's reasonable…

More cores won’t fix it. Some app will add more processes and use all available CPUs and there’s no reservations.

You had it right with nice - phones and tablets and consoles and cars have it right with their techniques. Apps shouldn’t be able to make the system unusable by default.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by ehvatum »

smaudet wrote: post #212
IshKebab wrote: post #142

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I agree. Windows is basically fine these days. It's even better than Mac and Linux in a big way from a desktop stability point of view because it has the Ctrl-alt-delete interface which works reliably and lets you kill the offending program. Linux has various useless options like sysreq shortcuts that you can't remember and kill random processes, and I don't think Mac has anything, though to be honest I don't recall…

Until the advent of the new screen manager, you could always reliably get to a VT terminal. Full io access and unlimited kill power, far better than ctrl alt delete... Any regressions in this area I blame on systemd, which I think runs on cpp, so you know I blame cpp... (kernel is written in c, windows got a bit better when they used c# instead of cpp, Mac never used cpp...everybody kill cpp, quick)

Systemd is certainly not implemented in c++. I don’t think many of the authors are even well familiarized with the language. Look at the chart at the bottom of the project page.

https://github.com/systemd/systemd

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by hinkley »

eloff wrote: post #94
AdrianB1 wrote: post #80

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It is almost never about saturating the memory bandwidth, but waiting to load instructions and data from memory. That wait time counted in computer cycles is huge.

Yes, that’s precisely why hyperthreading is such a good deal.

“Such” a good deal is 2-30% in benchmarks (and they don’t say if that’s with cache leak protections turned on or off). In previous generations it was more like -20-20%. If one thread is having issues with L1 and L2 cache, splitting that evenly with a completely different workflow isn’t going to help.

If cache contention weren’t a problem, and it was just a matter of jumping into previously unseen instructions and data (cold cache), you’d expect to see 50-300% numbers from hyperthreading, precisely because of how long the stalls are.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by anikom15 »

jacquesm wrote: post #186
dijit wrote: post #141

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The boot was fast on the c64. Essentially instant. It just dumped you into a prompt though, and loading any program was really quite painfully slow.

It could be just as fast if the bios on a PC did absolutely nothing other than initialize the motherboard and a small basic interpreter. A modern bios goes through more cycles during the boot phase of a typical machine than a C64 would see in its entire lifetime.

It will be faster actually.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by anikom15 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #76
anikom15 wrote: post #73

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How long ago did you switch to Mac OS? This sounds like an argument from 2004, not 2022.

When the Intel Mac arrived, so maybe 14 years ago or more? Are you saying Windows has fixed all these problems? The registry is still there. I do actually have some Windows machines I use sometimes and recall thinking "still the same" but I can't say that as a hard core user, so I'd be interested to hear if Windows is now a sleek, reliable multitasker that instantly kills dead applications. Nothing will make me OK wi…

I certainly get a lot less blue screens and lockups than I did in the past, and the OS shuts down locked-up apps more quickly.

Group policies have replaced the registry for advanced configuration of the OS. The only time I’ve needed to change the registry is for dealing with poorly written, old drivers, which are becoming more rare as Microsoft’s standards for getting a driver signed are becoming more stringent.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Post by mixmastamyk »

throwaway0x7E6 wrote: post #55
mixmastamyk wrote: post #40

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Can still be done if all you want is a command-line to come up and be responsive. Most folks want web, email, images, and even a bit of security from their computer today. Could always be faster, but I think the days of "bam!" ready are past due to those requirements. Unless the computer is only sleeping, like an iphone for example.

web, email, images and a bit of security are not the reason windows UI is laggy as fuck

Thankfully, you are welcome to use something else that puts your needs before that of big brother(s).
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