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24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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I hold out forlorn hope that someday my modern workstation will achieve the responsiveness and fast boot times of my Commodore 128. Not joking in the least.

I feel the same way about TV. I miss the ability to quickly flip through channels.

When I was younger and my family had our first internet connection my dad said "One day internet webpages will load like changing channels on the TV - click click click. instant page loads"

Today TV soo much slower and webpage are... well... you know.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Hyperthreads aren't real CPU cores, claiming that your 48 hyperthreads were "only" 50% utilized means all the real cores under the hood are fully utilized.

4 wheel drive is also not real, because under the hood they share the same engine.

Only on those ancient internal combustion computers.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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This is one of the primary resaons I ditched Windows for Macos. The multitasking on Windows is ridiculously bad. Also, applications that freeze and can't be killed/restarted are simply part of life on Windows. Add to all that, Window slows down over time - again, the periodic reformat and rebuild is part of life on Windows. After I switched to Mac I didn't need to rebuild the operating system essentially ever. Also,…

How long ago did you switch to Mac OS? This sounds like an argument from 2004, not 2022.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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This is one of the primary resaons I ditched Windows for Macos. The multitasking on Windows is ridiculously bad. Also, applications that freeze and can't be killed/restarted are simply part of life on Windows. Add to all that, Window slows down over time - again, the periodic reformat and rebuild is part of life on Windows. After I switched to Mac I didn't need to rebuild the operating system essentially ever. Also,…

> Add to all that, Window slows down over time - again, the periodic reformat and rebuild is part of life on Windows.

My windows install is from 201*, it was an upgrade from win7, and switched from an i7 to a ryzen. I do clean out the registry/startup/task scheduler on occasion.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Can still be done if all you want is a command-line to come up and be responsive. Most folks want web, email, images, and even a bit of security from their computer today. Could always be faster, but I think the days of "bam!" ready are past due to those requirements. Unless the computer is only sleeping, like an iphone for example.

>Most folks want web, email, images, and even a bit of security from their computer today. Could always be faster, but I think the days of "bam!" ready are past due to those requirements. Unless the computer is only sleeping, like an iphone for example. Sure, but a modern computer also has orders of magnitude more processing power than devices that only ran a command line. There is no reason that we cant have both, e…

While I agree that incompetence and bad incentives are ever–present, and that all software can be optimized by application of a little elbow grease, I disagree that these are the only reasons.

For example, properly displaying text now requires having a copy of at least the most important parts of the Unicode standard in memory. Things like knowing if a character occupies one, two, or many character cells are very important for even a simple text terminal. Word splitting, kerning, shaping, bi–directional text display, the number of possible refinements grows without bound and all of them need metadata about each and every character. Your average web browser has megabytes of the stuff just sitting around in memory so that it is ready as soon as a character has to go up on the screen. Older computer just didn’t have that kind of memory to spare.

If you want the old–school experience you can still boot straight into the Linux Console, which still thinks that there are only 256 characters. It seems to be reasonably snappy.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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This is one of the primary resaons I ditched Windows for Macos. The multitasking on Windows is ridiculously bad. Also, applications that freeze and can't be killed/restarted are simply part of life on Windows. Add to all that, Window slows down over time - again, the periodic reformat and rebuild is part of life on Windows. After I switched to Mac I didn't need to rebuild the operating system essentially ever. Also,…

How long ago did you switch to Mac OS? This sounds like an argument from 2004, not 2022.

When the Intel Mac arrived, so maybe 14 years ago or more?

Are you saying Windows has fixed all these problems?

The registry is still there.

I do actually have some Windows machines I use sometimes and recall thinking "still the same" but I can't say that as a hard core user, so I'd be interested to hear if Windows is now a sleek, reliable multitasker that instantly kills dead applications. Nothing will make me OK with the registry and the general mess of Windows though - it's like a house someone hasn't properly cleaned for 40 yeaes.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Did they? My MacBook is much worse at multitasking. In fact the OS I've found to be best at multitasking is Debian/Ubuntu.

Can I ask what model and how much RAM?

2019 13" MBP, 16GB. Pretty much anything I do will spin up the fan now. Compiling an app uses so much battery that I get less than an hour of battery life. I've resorted to remote development only, a la Chromebook.

My previous laptop was a similar Lenovo X1 Carbon with Debian and wow do I miss it, but I don't have too much of a choice since I do mobile app development :(

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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I hold out forlorn hope that someday my modern workstation will achieve the responsiveness and fast boot times of my Commodore 128. Not joking in the least.

Not a C64 user, but I did use Apples, Ataris, and IBMs. Booting to BASIC or a cartridge was fast. Booting to a floppy not as much.

Reading a tape? That took several minutes.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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This is one of the primary resaons I ditched Windows for Macos. The multitasking on Windows is ridiculously bad. Also, applications that freeze and can't be killed/restarted are simply part of life on Windows. Add to all that, Window slows down over time - again, the periodic reformat and rebuild is part of life on Windows. After I switched to Mac I didn't need to rebuild the operating system essentially ever. Also,…

I have been where you are, posting the same thing, but I don't believe it is true today. Applications that hang and can't be killed is a much bigger problem to me in Linux than in Windows 10. I also don't reformat, at most i reset Windows or applications but it has been years. I agree with the rest but in everyday use the registry is not a problem in Windows.

The difference to me is that I as a power user might be able to fix it myself in Linux but by only using the tools normal users know of I must say I cannot recognize that this is a weak point in Windows today. Clicking the X to close an app and getting stuck with a dead app is much worse in, say, Debian than in Windows.

With that said.. I don't use Windows where I have a choice but that is mainly for philosophical reasons these days. Mac I don't touch. I feel it is the worst of both camps.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Both threads are waiting on the same memory pipeline. The actual performance has always lagged behind the theory

But not the same memory operations. Unless your code fully saturates the memory bandwidth, which is rare, you get some gains here.

It is almost never about saturating the memory bandwidth, but waiting to load instructions and data from memory. That wait time counted in computer cycles is huge.
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