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Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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Post by usrusr »

wenc wrote: post #184
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another app to install and leak my privacy. No thanks. I’ll wait in line for a key card.

What information will the app have that the hotel wouldn’t have at check in?

Everything you can grab from a silent push in those months when you don't check in but still have the app installed out of convenience. In other words: not much, but something (e.g. the company can know that the app is still installed).

I wouldn't go to lengths avoiding installation (just remember to uninstall if it really bothers you), but I'd prefer a purely web based implementation. How about clearing arbitrary NFC UID for access? (From a self-serve counter if taking humans out of the equation is so much of a goal) The credit card form factor is certainly not inconvenient at all, but dealing with them can still be surprisingly annoying when that happens to coincide with oddities from the very long tail of luggage situations.

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Post by jl6 »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #232

The world needs big industrial vacuum robots. Why don't they exist? I live in a rather rich condo in Europe yet it's only once a year our vast underground garage is cleaned. In winter there are lakes of dirty water from the snow melting off the wheels, the rest of the year there are layers and tumbleweed-like balls of housedust (looks depressing). The floor itself is almost perfectly leveled and polished - ideal for…

Probably some combination of:

* Lots of places don’t care if their garage is an unclean space.

* Places that do care will hire cleaning staff that are probably cheaper.

* Liability concerns for having something semi-autonomous roaming around peoples’ expensive vehicles.

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Post by scarface74 »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #225
scarface74 wrote: post #193

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What privacy do you think you’re giving up by using an application? The hotel may find out you are staying there and when you come into your room - ie something they already know?

Anything and everything the app and its 30 social, ad, and analytics SDKs are able to capture and exfiltrate from the phone. Maybe they won't upload the list of my installed apps (which can leak information like religion or medical issues), maybe they won't track my location through the entire hotel (or everywhere), maybe they won't snoop on my pictures... but maybe they also will, and I don't like maybe. Almost cert…

> Anything and everything the app and its 30 social, ad, and analytics SDKs are able to capture and exfiltrate from the phone.

I’m asking about iOS. If you have an Android device - using an operating system written by an ad tech company, the Hilton app is the last thing you should worry about.

Instead of being hand wavy, what exactly do you think an analytics SDK can “exfiltrate* from your phone outside of the app sandbox without your explicit permission?

> Maybe they won't upload the list of my installed apps (which can leak information like religion or medical issues),

Not possible with iOS. There was a loophole that Twitter used where they would try to send a message to another app. But Apple closed that a few versions ago.

> Almost certainly I'll have to agree to lengthy ToS that will then be used as justification to inundate me with spam

You mean the same TOS you have to sign when booking from their website? But I use the built in “Hide My Email” feature on iOS and give each app/website that I don’t care about a separate email that gets forwarded to my main email address.

> “ The Android permission model is particularly messed up because it changes every few SDK target versions, so it's hard to build a mental model what exactly you're allowing

“I care about my privacy yet I use an operating system with a poor permission model written by an adTech company”

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Post by scarface74 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #223
scarface74 wrote: post #210

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And what are these “pseudononymous” identifiers that you worry about? It’s much easier to track across the web than apps. And how is installing the Hilton app going to allow another app to find out information about you?

Web/apps have a lot of pseudonymous data points but rarely have a link to your real-life identity. Real-life things like hotels have the latter but rarely the former. Installing an app allows data brokers to bridge the two identities. > And how is installing the Hilton app going to allow another app to find out information about you? Both apps rat out whatever they have on you to a data broker which then does the mat…

Don’t be handwavy, exactly what can an installed app find out about you without you giving it explicit permission?

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Post by rwalle »

paganel wrote: post #176
codazoda wrote: post #2

In some Las Vegas hotels I no longer need to stop at a counter or stand in a line and it’s 1000x better experience. I can walk directly to my room and scan my phone. I can scan my phone for parking. I can grab extra keys at a kiosk, if I need them. I never have to talk to anyone, if I don’t want to. I also select the option not to have my room cleaned each day. I’ll ask someone in the hall for towels if I stay long e…

> I never have to talk to anyone, if I don’t want to. I have seen this attitude at more and more people, where does it come from? Meaning not wanting to talk with other people. It's what makes us humans, talking with other people. The alternative is lots and lots of money paid on psychotherapy and the like further down the road, or worse. Because actively avoiding talking to other people it's like bringing your car f…

What do you mean "where does it come from"? People can't have their own personalities or preferences and be not-so-sociable? And regarding "It's what makes us humans", I'm sorry that's not true and also you don't get to define what human is.

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Post by yunwal »

themitigating wrote: post #112
trevyn wrote: post #99

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The point is about a snowballing larger societal collapse, led by the US and UK. (But it will reach everywhere eventually.) If you and your friends are rich and dull enough, you can ostrich-hole it for a while yet. If you want to see the canary in the coal mine, try befriending someone who works in the service industry.

People were working harder for even less a hundred years ago and society didn't collapse.

I’m not sure this is true anymore. The median American will never be able to afford their own home at current housing prices. Sure, we have a higher gdp per capita, but it doesn’t buy us the things we actually need like housing, health care, etc.

Perhaps what’s needed is to bring back family homesteads, but that doesn’t feel like much progress.

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Post by consp »

tluyben2 wrote: post #116
shagie wrote: post #42

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4M of them got long covid and are unable to be worker that is sufficiently reliable for shift work in the service sector. https://www.brookings.edu/research/new-data-shows-long-covid...

That’s what is a massive issue I see in the EU even if it’s underreported; too many people I know cannot work because of long covid. Some tried anyway and burnt out because of trying too hard; now they have 2 problems. Luckily most of them are in NL where you won’t end up in a tent under a bridge, but I think long covid is taken way too light (at least over here).

If by NL you mean the Netherlands: Long covid falls under a weird category which for all practical purposes means you have to fight the UWV nail and tooth to get even the tiniest bit of leeway. Which you can't since working 40h/week to get proper care+benefits is exactly the problem you are trying to avoid. Oh, and the state already said the uwv should stop doing that but they keep going like they always did. (my evidence for this is anecdotal second hand though).

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Post by texasbigdata »

wenc wrote: post #184
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another app to install and leak my privacy. No thanks. I’ll wait in line for a key card.

What information will the app have that the hotel wouldn’t have at check in?

The precise amount of tin foil you are carrying to protect yourself, in pounds, for one. /s

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Post by madengr »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #108
yardstick wrote: post #105

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After the Las Vegas massacre, a lot of hotels will enter even if house keeping is always declined. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-hotels-revis...

Especially since the hotel and the hotel’s insurers ended up paying $800M: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-settlement-m... > Jim Frantz, whose San Diego-based law firm represents another 199 victims including Romo, said Thursday's settlement is a good first step. Now MGM must strengthen the security protocol at all their facilities, he said. >"I would assume a responsible business, after going through…

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

missedthecue wrote: post #3

I wonder where everyone has gone. The lazy answer is that companies aren't paying enough. But how is it better to sit at home making $0 than working and having an income? How do they afford rent or electricity or pay for car insurance? The workforce participation rate is still well below pre-pandemic levels. Millions of people just up and left the workforce. It's not as if they are looking for work at the right wage,…

Americans - particularly low paid workers - were more stuffed with cash than at any point in history BY FAR due to the stimulus.

In the last couple of months that started to draw down a lot - so I would expect the main reason people are quitting isn't because "minimum wage work isn't worth my time" (I mean, it probably isn't). It's because they actually for once in their lives had the cash to be able to do it.

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