I prefer Groove Pizza for exploring this [1]. Makes it very clear visually, IMO. There's also a good video explaining it [2]. [1] https://apps.musedlab.org/groovepizza/ [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4EtsPf3X-I
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#22Anyone know what the just noticable difference of swing ratio is?
That would depend on the tempo, the listener, and a host of other things.
One thing I learnt, funk feels like this: https://youtu.be/gLjXWiZVCrs?t=297 - Clyde Stubblefield's amazing drum feel on Give It Up Or Turnit A Loose - rely on a very subtle swing ratio, very slightly >1. I've found delaying the offbeat quavers (1/8 notes) by something like 1/32 note triplets gives something like this feel. It doesn't sound swung, but if you play it evenly (with a 1:1 swing ratio), it sounds horrible, dead, the groove is lost.
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#23Setting it to less than 1 sounds horrible!
It has it's place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9YyazDg9YM
I don't think it's Rock Around The Clock (1955) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgdufzXvjqw and a zillion other songs.
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#24I was at a Christmas church service on Monday and the quartet of singers was making two classic errors in a particular piece, one in the first measure and the other in the second measure of the refrain:
The first was singing a triplet rhythm (even quarter note triplets) as a dot-dot-whole (dotted eighth, dotted eighth, eighth).
The second was singing a dotted rhythm (dotted quarter note, eighth) as a triplet (i.e. swung eighths).
It was amusing
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#25Apparently the swing ratio (as measured by the ride cymbal) used by professional jazz musicians varies with the tempo: Friberg & Sundström, "Preferred swing ratio in jazz as a function of tempo", SMH-QPSR (1997) http://kth.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1246291/DATASET01...
That’s awesome that someone put the data together. It makes total sense to me, since the slower the tempo, the more blunted the impact (less emotional, less jarring) of a low-ratio
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#26The most interesting part of this to me is seeing that this is made with brython, and spotting a text/python script in the wild. Fun stuff, people are really creative.
The brython appears to only have been used for SVG manipulation. I would have been more interested in seeing the audio being generated dynamically based on the swing ratio, but instead it just plays pre-rendered mp3s.
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#273.0 isn't swing.
3.0 is a time-traveling swing band stuck in 17th century France, forced to play courtly music at Versailles until Lully agrees to smuggle them out an underground passageway in exchange for a copy of that smoking hot basso continuo part
In conclusion, 3.0 is my favorite because it reminds me of that old timey Versailles swing
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#28Reminds me of this old Python experiment, which will ‘swing’ any MP3:
https://musicmachinery.com/2010/05/21/the-swinger/
Unfortunately most of the examples seem to be gone, but I did find this great one on YouTube:
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
It has it's place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9YyazDg9YM
I don't think it's Rock Around The Clock (1955) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgdufzXvjqw and a zillion other songs.
ah, ducks, I flipped the notation in my head; you're correct
sixteens are swinged, but it's 1.5, not 0.75
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#30This is the least swing-y phrasing of this theme I've ever heard. The swing ratio is only one aspect, arguably not really an important one. You can create swing feel also by emphasizing off-beats, which this thing absolutely doesn't do. No matter 1:1 or 1:2 or 1:3.
A reasonably skilled jazz musician can get swinging at any of them. In modern jazz it's quite common to actually do 1:1 with a quite lazy/delayed on-beat, so it feels like 1:2 even though if you'd measure it, it's close to 1:1.
Max-Planck-Gesellschaft funds this? Sorry to be blunt, but this satisfies all German stereotypes. It's the furthest from music you could ever get.