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Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by andrew_ »

pionar wrote: post #148
thiht wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which Visual Studio Code is.

It's not. VSC is a packaged version of the open-source code with proprietary bits added. Integration with the plugin marketplace, telemetry, etc. VSCodium does not have that. In addition, a lot of the good language plugins are proprietary, like PyLance and the C# plugin.

And vscode core isn't without its issues, it's not straightforward to fork and build without running into userspace issues: https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/issues

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by hackertyper69 »

lallysingh wrote: post #96
bastawhiz wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Visual Studio Code is used by people who like to many languages I don't like these language. I'm forced to write them. I didn't ask for terraform, typescript, CSS, HTML, yaml, xml, JSON, and everything else. > for someone who's job is to work with JavaScript then WebStorm is much better It's never been my experience that a full IDE is better for dynamic interpreted languages. Maybe if you're used to that from writi…

Try pycharm. It does fantastic error checking that you'd normally need to test the code for. For example, it will infer types for variables and then highlight lines that will cause problems at runtime. It's saved me days of testing the first week I used it.

does pycharm work with C++ and VHDL?

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by greatgib »

greatgib wrote: post #35

I don't understand that girls is letting that going when they pretend to care for OSS. Microsoft is in the embrace phase, there is not a major forge that will remain that will not force to use their things. Then they will be able to start with messing things, like requiring proprietary extensions to lock down the thing. I guess a lot of people here don't remember the good old time of Visual Studio on Windows.

Can't edit but yes "gitlab" and not "girls". Shitty android auto-completion!

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by dijit »

beckingz wrote: post #86
dijit wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangent: Why is autocomplete getting worse on phones? iOS is notably much worse, often replacing completely correct words with other unrelated words. Frustratingly even doing it _ again _ when you fix the word.

I've disabled iOS autocorrect/autocomplete because it's gotten so bad.

I will follow your example, lets see how much it was actually helping me. :)

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by xigoi »

whatever1 wrote: post #149
greatgib wrote: post #35

I don't understand that girls is letting that going when they pretend to care for OSS. Microsoft is in the embrace phase, there is not a major forge that will remain that will not force to use their things. Then they will be able to start with messing things, like requiring proprietary extensions to lock down the thing. I guess a lot of people here don't remember the good old time of Visual Studio on Windows.

VScode’s killer feature is its remote development capability. Its prevalence could had been averted if Linux folks were not that stuck in command prompt editors for ssh work, and lecturing beginners about their incompetence to learn the keyboard commands of vi. At some point there was some work in forwarding UI via X11, but it was very clunky and slow. The Remote Desktop capabilities of Linux are also atrocious for r…

https://github.com/jbyuki/instant.nvim

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by xigoi »

kristopolous wrote: post #103
greatgib wrote: post #35

I don't understand that girls is letting that going when they pretend to care for OSS. Microsoft is in the embrace phase, there is not a major forge that will remain that will not force to use their things. Then they will be able to start with messing things, like requiring proprietary extensions to lock down the thing. I guess a lot of people here don't remember the good old time of Visual Studio on Windows.

Or maybe Microsoft is done being a bastard. It's a different group of people steering the ship then it was 25 years ago. I know how fun it is to presume they are being exclusively evil but who knows, things can change

If they really liked open source now, they would open-source all their software, or at least all their new software.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by xigoi »

alias_neo wrote: post #158

> with an implementation inspired by Visual Studio Code. Is this an indication of Gitlabs new "corporate" culture? The website already seems less "OSS" than it did, but to say "inspired by" is a hairline away from bullshit. It's not inspired by VSCode, it _is_ VSCode.

> Is this an indication of Gitlabs new "corporate" culture?

New? GitLab has been corporate-y for a long time.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by shkkmo »

dijit wrote: post #179
joshmanders wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're just being pedantic now. VSCodium exists because VSCode is FOSS. Your complaint is with the binary that Microsoft ships, not with the codebase.

Parents complaint is that paying lip service to FOSS is exactly the "extend" part of "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". A mantra that was famously internally coined at Microsoft[0], and was found during anti-monopoly proceedings. As such they will always be looked at skeptically when adding proprietary things to open source things. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

This doesn't really match since the "Embrace" part is different.

The classic formula was "embracing" an established standard, making proprietary extensions to that standard, then using the adoption of those proprietary extensions to extinguish the original standard's market share.

In this case, Microsoft didn't embrace an existing code base or standard, they made one and open sourced it. What would the analagous "extinction" bere here? That they eventually stop releasing updates to VSCode as open source?

While I agree that there is good reason to doubt Microsoft's intention to be a good steward of an open source project, this seems less like another iteration of that playbook and more like what a lot of "open source" for-profit companies do where they have an open core but keep many features proprietary so they can't be easily forked.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by LordDragonfang »

pionar wrote: post #148
thiht wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which Visual Studio Code is.

It's not. VSC is a packaged version of the open-source code with proprietary bits added. Integration with the plugin marketplace, telemetry, etc. VSCodium does not have that. In addition, a lot of the good language plugins are proprietary, like PyLance and the C# plugin.

> Integration with the plugin marketplace

This is a big one. A lot of the value of VSCode comes from its plugins, and M$ doesn't allow VSCodium to access them.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by [deleted] »

alias_neo wrote: post #158

> with an implementation inspired by Visual Studio Code. Is this an indication of Gitlabs new "corporate" culture? The website already seems less "OSS" than it did, but to say "inspired by" is a hairline away from bullshit. It's not inspired by VSCode, it _is_ VSCode.

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