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Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:42 PM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #103

greatgib wrote: post #35

I don't understand that girls is letting that going when they pretend to care for OSS. Microsoft is in the embrace phase, there is not a major forge that will remain that will not force to use their things. Then they will be able to start with messing things, like requiring proprietary extensions to lock down the thing. I guess a lot of people here don't remember the good old time of Visual Studio on Windows.

Or maybe Microsoft is done being a bastard. It's a different group of people steering the ship then it was 25 years ago. I know how fun it is to presume they are being exclusively evil but who knows, things can change

> It's a different group of people steering the ship then it was 25 years ago.

Is it a different group of people than were steering when they decided to patent troll Android OEMs less than a decade ago?

Is it a different group of people than were steering when they started abusing their desktop market share to strong arm their way into the browser market last year? (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29415031)

Microsoft didn't change, they're just being more careful now that their position is weaker.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by endtime » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:43 PM UTC

mikro2nd wrote: post #110

kavalerov wrote: post #20

This looks really great, and nice to see both Github and Gitlab moving in this direction - ability to have IDE in the browser is great for many use-cases. However, I am a bit worried that it looks like most of these companies and up using VSCode. It really needs to have a good competitor in this space, and I hope JetBrains can match that eventually with partnerships of their own.

Interestingly, Netbeans (though strongly Java focussed at the time) once had a fantastic collaborative coding plugin at one time, based on XMPP. It got killed because Sun wanted to foist their own "via Sun servers" thing on everybody. Needless to say, both solutions died on the vine. How sad. Browser-based BS... I'm never going to buy it. Personal prediction (contact me if you're willing to put Swiss money on it; I a…

I don't know what will happen to it as a public consumer product, but Google's internal browser-based hosted VS Code (Cider V) is great.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by coreyog » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:45 PM UTC

A buddy sent me this article a few days ago: https://ghuntley.com/fracture/

If I hadn't read it, I might think Gitlab incorporating vscode was a good thing.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by edgyquant » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:45 PM UTC

alias_neo wrote: post #158

> with an implementation inspired by Visual Studio Code. Is this an indication of Gitlabs new "corporate" culture? The website already seems less "OSS" than it did, but to say "inspired by" is a hairline away from bullshit. It's not inspired by VSCode, it _is_ VSCode.

The title says powered by

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by joshmanders » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:47 PM UTC

pionar wrote: post #148

thiht wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which Visual Studio Code is.

It's not. VSC is a packaged version of the open-source code with proprietary bits added. Integration with the plugin marketplace, telemetry, etc. VSCodium does not have that. In addition, a lot of the good language plugins are proprietary, like PyLance and the C# plugin.

You're just being pedantic now. VSCodium exists because VSCode is FOSS.

Your complaint is with the binary that Microsoft ships, not with the codebase.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by tlonny » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:48 PM UTC

andrew_ wrote: post #115

kavalerov wrote: post #20

This looks really great, and nice to see both Github and Gitlab moving in this direction - ability to have IDE in the browser is great for many use-cases. However, I am a bit worried that it looks like most of these companies and up using VSCode. It really needs to have a good competitor in this space, and I hope JetBrains can match that eventually with partnerships of their own.

The way that VS Code is spreading, and the stranglehold Microsoft has on development and direction of the product, give me very strong IE4/5/6 vibes. I really hope some of the open source alternatives that aren't corporation-controlled gain traction over the next year.

I moved from vim to VS code as I found the vim IDE experience slightly lacking. Recently I've found myself getting more and more fed up with how sluggish VS code feels.

With the push from a friend, I tried neovim with the requisite LS plugins and I'm never going back. It's lightning fast and has feature parity (at least the ones I use) with VS Code.

Its a bit of a bitch to setup, but there are preconfigured solutions out there (NVChad, LunarVim, AstroVim) if you want to skip all that bullshit and just get coding...

Definitely recommend giving it a go!

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:48 PM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #121

FpUser wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rust - I would not give rat's ass about what language was used to write an IDE as long as it performs adequately. VS Code definitely does it. I for example can comfortable edit, compile and debug my code written in C++ and other languages locally and on remote servers with fast turnaround. VS code is the closest thing ever to come to a full blown modern IDE. Replicating this complete functionality and plugin ecosyste…

Rust is pretty much the most important programming language in the world right now. Using it to eliminate entire classes of bugs is a huge win for developers everywhere.

It was rather my impression that the classes of bugs that rust fixes are entirely in memory management, which is to say that they never existed in managed languages in the first place. That makes it a big step forward for bare metal and performance critical code, but kind of unimportant anywhere where ex. Java, Python, or JavaScript are used.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by nabaraz » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:52 PM UTC

kavalerov wrote: post #20

This looks really great, and nice to see both Github and Gitlab moving in this direction - ability to have IDE in the browser is great for many use-cases. However, I am a bit worried that it looks like most of these companies and up using VSCode. It really needs to have a good competitor in this space, and I hope JetBrains can match that eventually with partnerships of their own.

For what's its worth, I've not moved away from Sublime Text. I hope it stays competitive for the foreseeable future.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by alias_neo » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:54 PM UTC

edgyquant wrote: post #164

alias_neo wrote: post #158

> with an implementation inspired by Visual Studio Code. Is this an indication of Gitlabs new "corporate" culture? The website already seems less "OSS" than it did, but to say "inspired by" is a hairline away from bullshit. It's not inspired by VSCode, it _is_ VSCode.

The title says powered by

There is no such title on the actual Gitlab docs page it links to, and from where I retrieved the quoted text.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by maronato » Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:56 PM UTC

edgyquant wrote: post #164

alias_neo wrote: post #158

> with an implementation inspired by Visual Studio Code. Is this an indication of Gitlabs new "corporate" culture? The website already seems less "OSS" than it did, but to say "inspired by" is a hairline away from bullshit. It's not inspired by VSCode, it _is_ VSCode.

The title says powered by

Which is odd because “powered” isn’t written anywhere on the page.