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Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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post #240

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> This isn't about "celebrities" (a word I never used), it's about popular people all around, like authors, journalists, and so on. I don't want to quibble over terms. Celebrities, popular people, whatever you want to call them. > And popular figures absolutely interact with and reply to tons of their followers quite frequently, that's the whole point. And popular people have plenty of places where they can do that.…

> And popular people have plenty of places where they can do that. But why does everyplace have to be amenable to people with 10+ million followers? This is where you're wrong. Twitter is the only place they can do that right now, where the audience is for that type of content. And people are positioning Mastodon as a better alternative to Twitter. So Mastodon needs to be amenable to people with 10+ million followers…

Twitter gives people who want to micro-publish to many millions of people very easily a place to do that. Of course, since Twitter stopped providing simple reverse-chronological feeds, it's unclear how many people would actually ever see a given post in their timeline as it was posted, rather than quote-tweets or external links directly to the tweet web page, but point taken. It is possible--although by no means certain--that the fediverse is incapable of handling that particular use case.

You asked about email, I'll counter with actual message services. For reasons clear only to the people involved, I have contacts I can only reach via Signal, or via WhatsApp, or via Telegram, or via WeChat, or via Discord, or via Slack, and so on. How do I cope with this? I just do. Similarly, if I had to visit eight different web pages to track my favorite super-popular people, I just would. Or I'd do what I actually do, and follow almost none of them, instead letting people who are terminally online quote and link to the ones worth knowing about.

If ActivityPub filled up, and couldn't take on any more users, then I would first expect technical solutions like a sharp rise in relay servers, which combine the output of many servers into one outbox to be polled. After that, assuming there was some sort of hard limit that couldn't be overcome that way, I would expect that I would need to create a new account on some other ActivityPub-like network, or even a separate unfederated network also running ActivityPub. My chosen client (Mastonaut) can already support multiple ActivityPub accounts on different servers, so my experience would likely remain the same.

You initially suggested that the Fediverse can't scale. It's worth noting that Twitter itself fell apart long before it reached anything like today's mastodon numbers, and the "Fail Whale" was a constant companion in 2008, when Twitter had only one million users, 200k of which were active per week[0]. So already ActivityPub is scaling better across the network than Twitter itself once did all by itself. Maybe Mastodon (Ruby on Rails) will fade over time, replaced by something written in a more efficient language (like Twitter was). Maybe ActivityPub itself will be converted to use thrift or grpc or similar. Maybe ActivityPub can support 100 million users just fine. It seems to have handled going from 300K monthly active users to 2.5 million monthly active users without trouble[1].

The total Fediverse seems to have more than 8 million total users now. I guess we might find out.

0. https://techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/end-of-speculation-the-rea...

1. https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2022/12/twitter-suspends-masto...

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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I suspect that key to the future of the fediverse is likely to be a more efficient piece of software than mastodon.

I expect very large servers will be commercially operated and running bespoke software. When Tumblr adds ActivityPub support, it will be the largest Fediverse instance by far.

It will probably immediately cause those directly upstream to find some new bottlenecks in their implementation.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Many of the focused niche discussions around the globe still happen in forums (and subreddits).

Reddit is as centralized as a platform could ever be.

what's interesting about Reddit is that moderation is (in theory) decentralized and handled independently by each sub. Only account creation and discovery are centralized, from the perspective of an average user experience. The whole point of a federated system is that you get the best of both worlds: global discovery and one single account/login for all communities, but you retain per-community moderation.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Exactly. The average person is dying to pay to have the privilege of an extra job moderating and administrating their own social feed! This is a bulletproof plan that really understands consumer behavior.

I was 'web socialized' in the 90's. IRC, web forums, and so on. Before that we had BBS. This is nothing new. And nothing prevents a major player to enter the fediverse btw.

> nothing prevents a major player to enter the fediverse

Apparently Tumblr intends to implement ActivityPub, so it might be happening sooner rather than later.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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There are already badges that people have. For example, on brands.town, Fox News has a verified badge [0]. [0]: https://brands.town/@FoxNews

> For example, on brands.town, Fox News has a verified badge You realize that this is a parody account that posts pictures of foxes, not the American cable news channel... right?

Of course; that's why I posted it.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Last I checked, Twitter required SMS phone number verification for all new accounts. That takes a lot longer than 3 seconds, not to mention the privacy invasion.

No, twitter does not require a phone verification.

In theory, it doesn't. But actually, if I try to make an account without a phone number, it will be immediately flagged as "suspicious" and demand phone number confirmation to be unlocked.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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All things require funding. There are no exceptions. My discord guild also requires time and money. So it goes.

I don't think you have any reply to the topic being discussed. The point is that people went from an experience where they didn't take money out of their pocket every month unless they wanted to, and didn't have to curate for others or moderate for others. I pay for a game server and won't accept a dime from my friends for it not so I can feel like king of some fiefdom, but so we can enjoy a game amongst ourselves. I…

> The point is that people went from an experience where they didn't take money out of their pocket every month unless they wanted to, and didn't have to curate for others or moderate for others.

That was basically a vivid hallucination. You offshored the mod work to underpaid contractors in foreign offices and paid by selling your focus and privacy. You didn't have to feel guilty because some nice folks in fancy clothes with a big PR department told you it was cool.

Those folks in the fancy suits are realizing it's too hard to make money that way.

You can still chase that bargain. You will see more and more ads. Your privacy will only get more invaded. Eventually you will have to pay.

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