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Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Switzerland is, yeah. No such issue there, however.

While true, the culture of guns in Switzerland is very different to the US.

People spread this detail without knowing that the Swiss instead strickly control access to ammunition.

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I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

Why does the claim that a police presence is needed somewhere result in the death of innocent people? Why are the police prepared for war when visiting someone's residence? What situation, time and time again, can possibly justify this kind of repeated response? Put in another, more unpleasant way, how many innocent deaths are worth one police officer death, because law enforcement justifies this due to (truly existe…

The police get deference in the courts, and their answer is: as many as it takes

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Keffals was swatted in Canada, and Canada has a far less extreme police and gun culture compared to the USA.

This is actually not true and it's just like myth propaganda propagated by Canada. The Royal mounted police are deeply murderous to native people till today. that's just a single example. in the same way that the American media blames every black man murdered by the police so does the Canadian. That's because both countries are based on the continued enforcement of white supremacy.

'Starlight Tours' are a sordid stain in Canadian history, however, I don't see how that makes it untrue or a myth. Even if the RCMP is demonstrably bad, Ontario and Quebec have their own provincial police forces, and so do a few large municipalities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths

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Well, that's because we have to protect ourselves from SWAT teams!

Indiana just enshrined that right into law. https://theweek.com/articles/474702/indiana-law-that-lets-ci...

Good? As a Californian who doesn't own a gun and hasn't fired one in 20 years, I'm unlikely to take advantage of that law, but I appreciate that it exists. A SWAT assault that isn't preceded by presenting a valid warrant is just a heavily-armed home invasion, and home owners absolutely should be able to respond to those. That was presumably already legal, but if "enshrining" it into law as you put it makes it pointedly obvious to the police that they can be legally shot dead if they don't follow a safe, legal procedure, great. Maybe swatting will be less of a thing then...

Edit: wow, just saw this part:

> Why did Indiana push this law? The state Supreme Court had previously ruled that citizens had no legal right to resist police officers, even in a case of unlawful entry

What a crazy ruling. I guess this law is checks and balances in action in two ways...

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave. It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0]. "Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the p…

Do you actually think the police send a SWAT team to every single call? 99% of calls in the US would be the exact normal response you said - police knock on the door and ask questions.

The problem is the swatters know the exact type of call to make to elicit a SWAT response, usually involving someone being held hostage and in imminent danger of being killed. The police can't just assume people making that kind of call are lying, they have to respond as if it's real. It's not a problem of the police just responding to every call like that.

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Switzerland is, yeah. No such issue there, however.

Ammunition is tightly controlled in Switzerland as far as I understand. Having guns is not that helpful without some ammunition. Most people are not going to be prepared to produce ammunition

You need a permit to buy ammunition in Switzerland, just as you need a permit to buy guns. But the permit is available if you do not have a criminal record. Ammunition is not more tightly controlled than guns, both are controlled, but not as tightly as in places like New York or California in the U.S.

There are also government subsidized shooting ranges that do not require these permits.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave. It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0]. "Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the p…

Is the rest of the world loaded up to the gills with weapons? There's 1.2 guns per citizen...

As for Switzerland: "military service is required; and military firearms are kept in homes—which historians credit for Germany never invading Switzerland during World War II."

Far smaller population than the USA, and loads more variables to consider when comparing the two. But at least one country gets it pretty Damn Right with Guns!

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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post #115

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"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave. It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0]. "Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the p…

Do you actually think the police send a SWAT team to every single call? 99% of calls in the US would be the exact normal response you said - police knock on the door and ask questions. The problem is the swatters know the exact type of call to make to elicit a SWAT response, usually involving someone being held hostage and in imminent danger of being killed. The police can't just assume people making that kind of cal…

> Do you actually think the police send a SWAT team to every single call?

I don't think that's what they're implying at all, given the context is about swatting.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Why is it always boys and men who do swatting?

Women invented "school shootings" though! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_sh...

Interesting, I always loosely considered the Bath, Michigan incident the first “shooting” though it was actually a bombing, more so Mass School Violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

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#120

Almost every shitty thing young people do is due to their education. The other is social pressure but again the one applying the pressure also lacked proper education.

This seems like a pretty big generalization, just look at SBF as a counter example. There are plenty of educated young people that do stupid things, and depending on the stage of brain development there could be lots of other things at play: household dynamics being a prominent one, having the proper role models, plain ole human nature, etc...

Probably GP meant that nurture, not nature, is what creates bad people. That includes education, but also upbringing, household, etc.

Which I tend to agree with. Sociopaths due to genetic differences are, IMO, extremely rare as to be a non-factor. But childhood abuse and/or trauma is the biggest reason for people becoming violent, unsociable or generally evil.

SBF just seems like the stereotypical kid born in a very rich, connected family, that got every material need fulfilled, but lacked something crucial to develop a mature and critical understanding of how the world works. This is often seen in children of ultra millionaires, growing up completely divorced from reality and how other people live. I imagine people like him thinking "oh, fuck, so sorry I lost you a million dollars. My bad. You still have a few mil in stocks to tide you over until I get you your money back, right? Right? What do you mean your parents are also broke?"

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