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Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Strongly disagree regarding 1Password, their client is continually improving and it is IMHO by far the best password managing service now, I have tried most of the other ones before it. Really have no issues with their Electron switch, I didn't even notice it, still fast!

Which OS are you on? I am on macOS and it is worse.

macOS here and its better.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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> Subscriptions allow companies to better develop organic roadmaps that's not tied to an upgrade cycle This point is at the center of the move to subscriptions, and I think we should be more explicit that we want companies to eventually _not_ significantly upgrade products and keep them alive with minimal changes for a long time, while we're still paying for subscriptions. It I think really important to lower the pre…

> This point is at the center of the move to subscriptions, and I think we should be more explicit that we want companies to eventually _not_ significantly upgrade products and keep them alive with minimal changes for a long time, while we're still paying for subscriptions. How is that different from rent-seeking? In particular, what does "keep the software alive" mean? I can understand that cloud services have a fix…

Yes, the question of paying upfront or sustaining a subscription isn’t simple.

I refuse to pay for Adobe CS and keep an old Lightroom license around when needed, but pay for Bitwarden just to keep them around for security updates and new OS support, and absolutely don’t want them to add new flashy features every month. There’s no one size fits all I think.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Not the OP, but I have to disagree too. Creative Cloud, IntelliJ, Figma, Google Workspace, Postman, Spotify, Vercel, Adguard, Google storage space, Alltrails, 1password.. They're all subscriptions and getting better all the time. Meanwhile it's the old purchased software like Windows and Office that get worse with every version.

I haven't seen any improvement in Spotify in years. Still can't organise songs in any meaningful way, can't rate songs, playlists suck, shuffle is broken, and they keep pushing podcast content when I never listen to podcasts. 1Password also used to sync to Dropbox for free and even had an HTML version that could serve from Dropbox.

Spotify feels like it's got 1 developer working on it in their spare time. Their feature release timeline is awful and has been for years.

I think what makes it worse is that they've got a section of their community site where you can 'vote' for features and bugs to be fixed - why on earth you need a voting system for bugs is beyond me. But overall its pointless, theres feature requests going back nearly a decade with thousands of votes and all they keep saying is "keep voting". How about no, how about you actually update your damn platform.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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I haven't seen any improvement in Spotify in years. Still can't organise songs in any meaningful way, can't rate songs, playlists suck, shuffle is broken, and they keep pushing podcast content when I never listen to podcasts. 1Password also used to sync to Dropbox for free and even had an HTML version that could serve from Dropbox.

Shuffle is not broken. It is algorithmic and tries to feed you songs you might want to listen to but Spotify doesn’t need to pay for (that much).

The several community issues with hundreds of thousands of votes would disagree.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Not the OP, but I have to disagree too. Creative Cloud, IntelliJ, Figma, Google Workspace, Postman, Spotify, Vercel, Adguard, Google storage space, Alltrails, 1password.. They're all subscriptions and getting better all the time. Meanwhile it's the old purchased software like Windows and Office that get worse with every version.

Lastpass didn't deliver a single improvement, but they did double the yearly price

Whilst also getting hacked twice. Why anyone uses, let alone pays for Lastpass is a mystery.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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> The company always to prefers to pocket your dollars as profit. If you send them a check or something, that's what they'll do. And I'm free to stop subscribing if the service gets worse (or doesn't get better as fast as I'd like).

Unless you have data in the service in some proprietary format, say.

These days its incredibly easy to find or write something up to extract data from a service. Take Spotify or Apple Music for example - its very easy to export out of either despite neither of it allowing it in their TOS or providing any tools to do so.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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No: not if the subscription bundles useful continuing services, such as cloud sync or software updates. You mentioned password managers. 1Password’s subscription bundles in updates along with a cloud sync that works across the 4 devices I routinely use. I once said “1Password subscription is nonsense, I can do everything it does myself, and for free,” so I cancelled it. After about six months of trying to use my own…

You can just combine different software to have it work as you like. - KeepassXC as password manager - Syncthing to synchronize your db (no server is required on your part) In general security software should be stable. I'm not sure why updates are needed other than for vulnerabilities (which should be exceedingly rare). The security is guaranteed as long as the software performs up to spec (the crypto implementation…

Keepass XC works only on desktop systems. I need mobile. Indeed, when I used only a desktop system, I was happy to keep my passwords in a text file and use Awk in the terminal to retrieve them.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Not really, because I saw too many software companies go out of business because not enough people wound up upgrading to the next major version -- the ownership model of software can be awfully feast-or-famine for developers' income, it's a very tough/risky business model. Generally speaking, I'm happy to pay a subscription because this way I get a steady stream of all the updates, and it's much more likely the compa…

Subscriptions are fine for services I can live without. The barrier to entry is lower than a full cost of the software and I can cancel the subscription whenever I want. This is to me a win-win situation.

I would absolutely reject a subscription for using my operating system though.

So yeah, subscriptions are fine but not for everything.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Not really, because I saw too many software companies go out of business because not enough people wound up upgrading to the next major version -- the ownership model of software can be awfully feast-or-famine for developers' income, it's a very tough/risky business model. Generally speaking, I'm happy to pay a subscription because this way I get a steady stream of all the updates, and it's much more likely the compa…

What the heck subscription models are you using? In my experience the software gets broken over time and you can't do anything about it, including RUN THE OLD VERSION WHICH WORKED. There's no longer as much incentive for companies to improve because they'll get paid anyway instead of payment being contingent on actually delivering something useful. Yes subscription models are good for developers, no this doesn't make…

>I basically pirate everything that requires a subscription now or us a FOSS alternative, even though there was a period of time where I would pay for software between when I was poor and had to pirate everything and now when I can afford to pay for subscriptions but the situation with lack of control over SaaS is so fucking untenable that I just can't.

Same and similar. I resurrected an old pc and re-installed som backed-up old software and it mostly worked...well!! Apart from that, I prefer portable, non-installable software. I got burned a couple of years ago - spent €100s on some music software, two months later it went to subscription, for some Reason.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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What the heck subscription models are you using? In my experience the software gets broken over time and you can't do anything about it, including RUN THE OLD VERSION WHICH WORKED. There's no longer as much incentive for companies to improve because they'll get paid anyway instead of payment being contingent on actually delivering something useful. Yes subscription models are good for developers, no this doesn't make…

Not the OP, but I have to disagree too. Creative Cloud, IntelliJ, Figma, Google Workspace, Postman, Spotify, Vercel, Adguard, Google storage space, Alltrails, 1password.. They're all subscriptions and getting better all the time. Meanwhile it's the old purchased software like Windows and Office that get worse with every version.

I think IntelliJ is getting worse, but at least you have a perpetual fallback license, which I might use at one point, as they are augmenting my code so much with everything, that if I open some source files in a plain text editor, they look completely different. I find this extremely annoying, because I don't want the IDE to change my view of the code so much that it starts interfering with it.

Spotify is more of a content provider, but even there, a few year ago I found it to be one of the best software out there and their Spotify connect was just magic. Not hey seem to be everywhere: soundbars, watches, the apps are a bloated mess that I need to restart Spotify desktop in order to update the like of a song that I liked on my phone. But this is the natural lifecycle of software products, something starts off as a great product coming to replace some sort of legacy monster, only to end up becoming the monster that they replaced.

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