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Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Not really, because I saw too many software companies go out of business because not enough people wound up upgrading to the next major version -- the ownership model of software can be awfully feast-or-famine for developers' income, it's a very tough/risky business model. Generally speaking, I'm happy to pay a subscription because this way I get a steady stream of all the updates, and it's much more likely the compa…

The entire comment feels weird, but this part strikes me as particularly odd -

> By this point, the idea of "owning" software feels positively archaic to me, as strange as "owning" a music album.

You would have to be very young to not have owned (physical) music albums - and I'm a pretty young person myself.

I really hope this isn't a bot/paid PR thing, because boy would someone have wasted their money.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#613
I think a big factor for indie developers is this:

If you have a subscription model you don't have to prioritize marketing and sales as much and can grow at a more gentle pace and focus more on the quality of the product. I'd rather spend time and money on preventing churn by making the product better, instead of investing in shiny stuff and ads to keep the existing revenue stream at a constant level.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Looks like short term thinking to me. Great for the next two years, but a problem after that, but hey can always have another job by then so it will be someone else problem.

Well, you gotta make sure only 10% of users purchase. Not 50%.

Are you claiming that offering someone a lifetime license will increase the conversion rate by x 5? if so, that seems incredibly unlikely.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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The subscription model is a business answer to a recurrent problem in tech: how do you make your revenue streams more reliable?

If you build the perfect product, and everybody buys the first version, then you'll have no revenue stream left after everybody who wanted to purchase it has purchased it.

And that's where the subscription model steps in.

It's also a way of slowing down innovation (and therefore risk) while remaining profitable. In a world where your revenue is based only on how many new copies of your product you sell, you are forced to innovate and keep selling, or your sales will drop and competition will eat your plate. If you already have a user base of subscribed users instead, it's much harder to attack your bottom line.

So yes, it's a great model from a business perspective, but it's an absolute nightmare from a user perspective.

I personally started paying between $300-400 a month just in subscriptions at its peak (about 3 years ago), and we're talking just of 8-9 services. I decided that it was not sustainable, and that I had to fight back.

Today I reward news outlets that let me pay for content "on the go" over those that put the "subscribe now" paywall in front of my eyes. I am very happy (and proud) to scrape and pirate those services without feeling an inch of guilt. If in order to read a single article I have to start a subscription that involves cumbersome interactions with your customer service just to terminate it, then you deserve piracy.

And, when it comes to other services, I started self-hosting everything. There's plenty of open-source alternatives to literally every paid service that you can run yourself. A Celeron minipc in my house with a few TB of storage connected cost me about $350. After 1-2 months running Nextcloud, Miniflux, Wallabag, Matrix, Ubooquity, wger, Bitwarden etc. on it, it already paid its own price back in terms of subscription savings.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#616
I wouldn't say so. I only have 2 subscriptions so I don't mind. If I had many, it would give me some itching but 2 are fine, IMHO (perhaps I can get rid of Netflix soon too).

Besides that, I can't imagine how else this could be - I mean, how would someone keep operating without revenue from subscriptions? You may say "ads" and I'd say I totally prefer paying a subscription to watching ads.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Unless you have data in the service in some proprietary format, say.

If I had data locked up in some software I would rather have an ongoing relationship rather than just hope that they decide to make a new version when an OS update or other critical need arises.

"Data locked up in some software" in practice means strictly SaaS with cloud storage.

If you have the data locally, you can always migrate it - whether manually, through the software that made it (e.g. if the app isn't supporting your new OS, then run it in a VM with an older OS to export to a more forward-compatible format), or through third-party converters. If enough people are in this position, someone will write a solution.

If your data resides in the cloud, however, it's up to the vendor whether or not you'll be able to access it or export it, and how much of it. If they're just sunsetting the product, you probably, maybe, will be able to get some data back (which is almost definitely in some unknown ad-hoc format, quite likely a database dump in form of JSON, so you'll need a converter anyway). If they terminate your account because of $random reason, you won't even have a chance.

Or, to borrow a cliché, "not your files, not your data".

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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post #574

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You've mixed subscription based services (Google storage space) and content (Spotify) with subscription based software. For services, it might make sense. Even so, what exactly is "getting better all the time" about Spotify the software? It's been the same for like 5 years now. As for the rest: 1Password declined (turned to Electron shit), Creative Cloud keeps adding bloat while not adressing decades standing issues,…

Strongly disagree regarding 1Password, their client is continually improving and it is IMHO by far the best password managing service now, I have tried most of the other ones before it. Really have no issues with their Electron switch, I didn't even notice it, still fast!

Which OS are you on? I am on macOS and it is worse.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've mixed subscription based services (Google storage space) and content (Spotify) with subscription based software. For services, it might make sense. Even so, what exactly is "getting better all the time" about Spotify the software? It's been the same for like 5 years now. As for the rest: 1Password declined (turned to Electron shit), Creative Cloud keeps adding bloat while not adressing decades standing issues,…

Strongly disagree regarding 1Password, their client is continually improving and it is IMHO by far the best password managing service now, I have tried most of the other ones before it. Really have no issues with their Electron switch, I didn't even notice it, still fast!

Same with me for Electron, I wouldn't know but for the HN comments. They added an SSH agent to their macOS clients a while ago, at least for me that was a pretty big improvement. They also added features for sharing passwords with others who aren't in your 1Password Team/Family/whatever, and that's really slick and useful too. I'm a bit disappointed in their 1password secrets automation thingy since there seems to be no free tier to play with it, but it's good to see them grow into that direction since that may alleviate the pressure to profit squeeze their password manager offering to death.

But I guess you have to keep in mind they are in an ongoing pivot to cloud and that understandably disgruntles those of their customers who have a strong aversion to cloudy products. If you look at 1Password as a standalone app for managing local vaults synced via dropbox, I guess you could argue it's kinda shitty by now and getting worse, and every cloud feature is a net-negative in that view. If I had to guess I'd say most people want a cloud solution these days, but I guess that may be what's behind a lot of the negative sentiment. Or maybe not, but as someone who buys 1Password Family for the cloudy features, has used it a lot at work and doesn't have a single local vault, I'm a very happy customer and I've yet to run into a non-trivial bug with v8.

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