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Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by mhss »

samtp wrote: post #606
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

Well he did very publicly call the cave diver who saved 12 children a pedophile because he was jealous of him. He also called for a leading infectious disease expert to be jailed, further endangering someone who was already under armed protection from previous threats. And there was that one time that he shared an unfounded conspiracy theory about an elderly man who was attacked with a hammer in his own home. There w…

No no no, all of that is just he's eccentric, not understood by the common person.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by pupppet »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

He’s not eccentric, he’s a troll.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604329282796457984?s=46...

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by sandofsky »

sandofsky wrote: post #877
concordDance wrote: post #799

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That's definitely not what he argues there. It's quite possible for 95% of hate to be mostly unfounded while that person is still worthy of hate. It's just that the existence of haters does not necessarily mean that person is hate-worthy. The different rates and ways that various types of information travels through media (both social and not) and gets distorted by it are fascinating and there's probably been some go…

If my memory serves, Graham would sometimes link to his essay when people criticized Musk. It’s hard for me to check at the moment, as Graham’s Twitter account has been suspended.

Now that Graham’s account is unsuspended, here’s a tweet from a month ago surrounding Musk.

https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1591100636854374400

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by martin82 »

ehsankia wrote: post #837
_cenw wrote: post #599

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SpaceX has talented people working there despite Elon, not because of him. They supposedly have an entire handbook on "managing Elon" for deflecting his weird requests and framing things in a way that doesn't provoke his ire. They put up with it because they only have so many opportunities to work on space. Twitter has people dependent on their H-1B and very few true believers that are unfit to serve in their role. E…

Right, Twitter is absolutely nothing like SpaceX or Tesla. Twitter's problems aren't engineering issues, they're political and related to moderation. Content moderation is one of the hardest problems current which no company has managed to solve. Especially when you have the user-creator-advertiser triangle. It was clear from the very start Elon has no clue what he was walking into.

twitter's biggest issue are bots, and that's an engineering issue.

the politics are just noise.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by bane »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

As Musk slowly (or rapidly depending on your point of view) turns Twitter into an expensive version of Truth Social and Parler, being "seen" there threatens to associate users with his overriding POV -- it's going to start sending a message just for being there. Running a forum that's even handed is pretty hard and requires a different kind of idealism.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by pellucide »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

With all due respect for you, I hereby am writing elon musk off. elon and trump have same mental make up.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by DonHopkins »

jacquesm wrote: post #647
vertis wrote: post #625

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I read some advice that it's better to lock the account than delete it, especially if you had a decent number of followers. Reduces the likelihood of impersonation.

Good point, well, too late for that I guess. But at the rate Twitter is heading for the scene of the crash I don't think it will matter for much longer.

It is not appropriate or ethical for pilots to use euphemisms or other language that may downplay or minimize the severity of an aviation incident or accident. Pilots have a serious responsibility to communicate clearly and accurately about the status of a flight, and to take all necessary actions to ensure the safety of their passengers and crew. Using euphemisms or other language that may mislead or confuse people about the true nature of an incident or accident could potentially compromise safety and hinder effective communication and response.

Love, DangGPT.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by tolciho »

88 wrote: post #336

This is beginning to feel like the Freenode takeover drama

Beginning? There have been parallels for weeks now allowing for variations of detail and scale: a rich so-and-so with not exactly leftward tendencies and an interest in Dutch Tulips who, being a heavy user of such-and-such, buys such-and-such. Employees of such-and-such depart in droves, both sides hold their peace concerning differences of opinions over said departures, distressing details of the so-and-so are dredged up, and much popcorn is had by the ever-industrious Little People. Oh, and yes, so-and-so banning anyone who mentioned going elsewhere. Other parallels could doubtless be found, but that would require doing some actual research. "Debacle" could well apply to both.

There are major differences; a notable one is that the Libera switch was mostly a quick host:port change for users; Twitter and such appear to be a tad complicated, but that's the modern web moderning. Thus, Twitter users may not have ready and viable alternatives to switch to, and probably specific differences could be found between "folks who IRC" and the general population. Also Twitter is a tad larger than Freenode, so will doubtless take longer to break up in the water, or may have better salvage value if, somehow, things can be set aright.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by DonHopkins »

ramraj07 wrote: post #724
mcv wrote: post #658

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> His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. I used to think that too, but I've since come across a story that SpaceX actually has people who's informal job is to manage him, and they present their ideas in such a way that he thinks they're his, in order to keep him happy. He's mostly there to bring money and hype. No idea if that story is true, but honestly, it would explain some things. The impression he's bee…

I did my PhD under possibly the most narcissistic, ruthless, and petty professors anyone around me had ever heard of, so I might be able to comment on this. I and the few people who managed to actually graduate with our sanity intact (out of like 50) learned to play this game you suggested where we have to play to their egos, and try and salvage their shitty, shitty ideas into workable projects that will end with us…

Achieving a PhD in dealing with narcissistic assholes is a valuable career skill, that will benefit you in any field, no matter the topic of your thesis.

The most important skill I learned getting a BS in CS was how to BS.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by DonHopkins »

jacquesm wrote: post #514
IAmGraydon wrote: post #506

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I’m curious to hear your thoughts on him banning Ukrainian phone numbers, effectively making it so that Ukrainians can’t sign up to share information about the war.

I would chalk that up to slow service degradation more than malice. Twitter is likely slowly running aground.

Ever Given meets Costa Concordia.

You with all the transportation disaster metaphors today!

It is not appropriate or ethical for ship captains to use euphemisms or other language that may downplay or minimize the severity of a ship running aground or any other maritime incident or accident. Ship captains have a serious responsibility to communicate clearly and accurately about the status of their vessel and to take all necessary actions to ensure the safety of their crew and passengers. Using euphemisms or other language that may mislead or confuse people about the true nature of an incident or accident could potentially compromise safety and hinder effective communication and response.

Love, DangGPT.

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