Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now • Hacker News Board

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by xupybd » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:48 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #432

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

Fair enough. I don't think he will be able to salvage this and I've deleted my account to reduce the temptation to return. A reputation is not like a piece of software that you fix and then re-run as though it never broke in the first place. Elon has utterly wrecked his reputation over the last couple of months (and probably longer than that) and it is getting worse, not better. Edit: I guess Paul won't be going back…

Hi jacquesm, I noticed that you have both a strong background in business and a negative opinion of Elon Musk. As someone who is interested in understanding different perspectives, I would love to hear more about your thoughts on this topic. Could you please share more about the actions or decisions by Elon that have led you to form this negative opinion? I'm not looking to engage in an argument, but rather just to gain a better understanding of your perspective. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by donkeyd » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

ipsum2 wrote: post #3

It's news to me that that users are not allowed to mention other social networks' accounts on Twitter anymore. Seems short sighted, how many users is Twitter losing to Instagram/Discord/Mastodon?

Interestingly though, the accounts for Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram are still on Twitter, but the one for Mastodon isn't. I wonder why...

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by raspberry1337 » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

secos wrote: post #453

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

> Plus I don't think he realizes that the techniques that work for cars and rockets don't work in social media. This argument made sense a month ago. Unfortunately he really hasn't shown any improvement since then that would lead me to agree with you on that point. It's now a situation where he has to either find enough new people who agree with whatever his approach is or /win people back/ - both of those are quite…

Twitter has less bots yets more activity than ever. In what dimension do these Hacker news posters live?

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by dd36 » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

AnonCoward42 wrote: post #551

lph wrote: post #489

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It's astonishing how much benefit of the doubt Elon Musk gets from his cult of personality. Whether or not he's smart, the things he's doing at Twitter are /glaringly/ not smart from a business perspective: He's driven away advertisers, alienated users, crippled system resilience by firing so many engineers, and set the stage for dozens of lawsuits that will run the gamut from employment law to SEC oversight to EU co…

Not everyone that does not hate Elon Musk is following a personality cult. I have not much of an opinion of Elon Musk in general and kinda ignore the person himself, but what he did to Twitter is awesome for everyone, but the woke bubble. It's definitely fun to watch it.

Despite what you’ve been told, Twitter is just a platform. Political ideologies won’t be affected by whether it succeeds or fails. Indeed, failure may even reinforce the woke bubble because no moderation is toxic to advertisers and you’ll have proof.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by CodeWriter23 » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

Just going to leave this here for you @pg

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604593057676300288?s=61...

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by bluedino » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #530

bluedino wrote: post #207

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Is her beauty line worth more than (top three classic beauty supply companies)?

Yes. That's what market cap means. I can understand you might disagree with the valuation, but that doesn't change it. Also, don't forget that Rihanna has something the top three beauty supply companies don't have - a growing brand. That has a massive impact on market cap.

So her brand has a higher market cap than L'Oréal, Estée Lauder, etc?

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by jacquesm » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:50 PM UTC

vertis wrote: post #625

jacquesm wrote: post #432

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Fair enough. I don't think he will be able to salvage this and I've deleted my account to reduce the temptation to return. A reputation is not like a piece of software that you fix and then re-run as though it never broke in the first place. Elon has utterly wrecked his reputation over the last couple of months (and probably longer than that) and it is getting worse, not better. Edit: I guess Paul won't be going back…

I read some advice that it's better to lock the account than delete it, especially if you had a decent number of followers. Reduces the likelihood of impersonation.

Good point, well, too late for that I guess.

But at the rate Twitter is heading for the scene of the crash I don't think it will matter for much longer.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by mjklin » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:50 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #21

There’s an old adage about never meeting your heroes that applies well to PG. Some of his daily takes were so embarrassing and insipid that it was hard to maintain respect. It’s funny because his long form posts which are often insightful were likely reviewed/edited by a third person. A concept he has actually said only exists in the modern commercial publishing era.

Something I explained to my children today: don’t tweet about things you explained to your children today apropos of nothing, it makes you sounds like a jackass

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Post by Marazan » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:50 PM UTC

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

Remember when Elon baselessly called someone a peadophile.

Repeatedly.

So eccentric.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:50 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #547

roland35 wrote: post #500

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I'm sorry but saying "he is a smart guy" is a bit ridiculous at this point. A "smart guy" certainly may not know everything about running a social network, but he _would_ listen to the advice from those around them. Being smart also means understanding what you don't know and not surround yourself with sycophants.

Smart and wise are related but somewhat orthogonal, Elon is quite smart but not very wise.

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