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Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by DonHopkins »

davidgerard wrote: post #578
DonHopkins wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it make any sense to spin up your own little Mastodon server just for you and your most trusted friends, so you don't have to spend any time moderating content?

Yes, but the main problem is that Mastodon is very large and fat. Running it for more than a few people is expensive. There's also Pleroma (the Akkoma fork is recommended) and Misskey. There are people working on server software to be fully a part of Mastodon without spending $30/month. It should be possible to do this much more efficiently.

Mastodon is large and fat??!

Finally an honestly named piece of software.

If I'm already running a moderately sized $30-or-so-per-month server with its own local database process, that's not very busy. Should it fit on that kind of system just fine, or does it need a lot of CPU, memory, disk space, and/or network bandwidth? Or do you think I'd have to upgrade to a 50-or-so-per-month server?

Again, not planning on having many people use it, but I'm just wondering how much baseline and peak overhead there is to just being on the network, along various dimensions.

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Post by b33j0r »

TillE wrote: post #824
b33j0r wrote: post #822

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I vaguely feel like someone (ahem) is trying to get us to riot over silly things, as an experiment. It doesn’t make any sense.

Musk's entire Twitter reign makes complete sense if you just view it as one thin-skinned guy arbitrarily lashing out. There's no secret plan, he's just trying to "fix" whatever personally bothers him.

Oh you’re right. It just makes analysis like, dumb.

Making piles of money, inspiring a lot of people, while holding a questionable vision just isn’t something reactionary people do, usually. It’s something con-men do, but they usually try to save their image. Not go all Kurt Cobain on their kingdom…

Indeed. This one is funky. I’m open to outliers. Good call.

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Post by AnssiH »

srrr wrote: post #729
OJFord wrote: post #635

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Odd use of 'gatekeeper' isn't it? Even if I would call this 'gatekeeping behaviour' (I don't think it is, the way that's usually used around here at least? Not to say that it isn't 'misbehaviour') surely the thing that's objected to really is gatekeep ing by x platforms, where x is 'monopoly' or 'dominant' or something?

I think the term gatekeeper makes more sense if applied to companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft & Co, with their search engines, maps, app stores, operating systems, browsers ... all these are gateways to "the digital market". Twitter might be to small and comparatively niche to be classified as a gatekeeper. There does not seem to be an exact definition that I could find. But social networks as a category and com…

> There does not seem to be an exact definition that I could find.

From the regulation, Article 3:

1. An undertaking shall be designated as a gatekeeper if:

(a) it has a significant impact on the internal market;

(b) it provides a core platform service which is an important gateway for business users to reach end users; and

(c) it enjoys an entrenched and durable position, in its operations, or it is foreseeable that it will enjoy such a position in the near future.

2. An undertaking shall be presumed to satisfy the respective requirements in paragraph 1:

(a) as regards paragraph 1, point (a), where it achieves an annual Union turnover equal to or above EUR 7,5 billion in each of the last three financial years, or where its average market capitalisation or its equivalent fair market value amounted to at least EUR 75 billion in the last financial year, and it provides the same core platform service in at least three Member States;

(b) as regards paragraph 1, point (b), where it provides a core platform service that in the last financial year has at least 45 million monthly active end users established or located in the Union and at least 10 000 yearly active business users established in the Union, identified and calculated in accordance with the methodology and indicators set out in the Annex;

(c) as regards paragraph 1, point (c), where the thresholds in point (b) of this paragraph were met in each of the last three financial years.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

("core platform service" is explicitly defined to include social networking services)

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by squarefoot »

b33j0r wrote: post #822
sillysaurusx wrote: post #594

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Paul’s unbanned now.

I vaguely feel like someone (ahem) is trying to get us to riot over silly things, as an experiment. It doesn’t make any sense.

Possibly, an algorithm banned him just for writing the word "mastodon", then someone noticed and reversed the ban just because he's famous, to avoid public backlash.

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Post by kragen »

jacquesm wrote: post #714

So, any guesses as to whether Starlink will start filtering access to Mastodon instances and other Twitter competitors? Or do you folks believe that would be a bridge too far for Elon?

this is a very serious concern, but i'd be more worried about starlink filtering access to news media carrying anti-musk or anti-spacex stories

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Post by Vespasian »

macintux wrote: post #357
sytelus wrote: post #166

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It's amazing Mastodon is still so utterly disaster. Where are all the startups? Why is making Twitter clone so hard?

Why would anyone fund a startup to reproduce something that’s already wildly popular and successful and still not producing a great ROI? Twitter is hard enough technically, but the global compliance/regulatory challenges must be daunting.

I have a feeling that Twitter could be politically important enough to have one or more governments reign them in unless Musk manages to calm things down or drive it into the ground.

The smartest thing he could do is find some pretext to remove his public persona from the daily operations. He's clearly in over his head (micro managing policy etc) and business sense alone should tell him that.

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Post by ssnistfajen »

bell-cot wrote: post #159
theSoenke wrote: post #17

This is beyond ridiculous. Twitter has given me so much over the years and it’s dismantled in days

This is capitalism. He'd be completely within his rights to buy Twitter for cash...then completely shut it down, pay off A/P & such, and liquidate all assets.

Individuals in societies have this thing called reputation. Him claiming to supportive of free speech while doing this to a social platform he now owns is pure hypocrisy and damages his reputation, whatever's left of it.

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Post by OJFord »

waboremo wrote: post #804
OJFord wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd use of 'gatekeeper' isn't it? Even if I would call this 'gatekeeping behaviour' (I don't think it is, the way that's usually used around here at least? Not to say that it isn't 'misbehaviour') surely the thing that's objected to really is gatekeep ing by x platforms, where x is 'monopoly' or 'dominant' or something?

Twitter is a bit of a gatekeeper is it not? So many companies ran their customer service through there, it became one of the dominant customer service platforms (alongside Facebook). On top of this, many news platforms also relied heavily on Twitter to break and share news, same with journalists who used Twitter as their only form of communication effectively. Twitter was positioning itself as a major gatekeeper of i…

To be clear, I don't object to there being the regulation at all, I was just commenting on the word choice, which to me, and apparently vehemently not others, seemed unusual.

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Post by dorkwood »

michpoch wrote: post #773

It really surprises me how much attention twitter is getting on HN. I must be living in some bubble, because not only I have never had an account there, I also do not know anyone who would be using it. From my perspective I'd judge the popularity of Twitter to be similar to e.g. Soundcloud - people know what it is, but very few people use it.

It was once a really great place to follow developers and artists. My feed was once a gold mine of tips and tricks and interesting projects that other people were working on.

It wasn't just for unhealthy political discussions, as a lot of HN posters like to make out. I managed to block all of that out, for a time.

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