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Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Possibly malicious enforcement by Twitter staff in light of https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604593057676300288 “Casually sharing occasional links is fine, but no more relentless advertising of competitors for free, which is absurd in the extreme”

Where interpretation of "casually" and "occasional" is left to the Emperor.

And what interpretation of 'absurd in the extreme' should we take?

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

#502
post #197

He didn't link to his mastodon at all, did he? Twitter is one of the reasons I became an engineer - I was able to follow and see the mutterings of indie game devs in Copenhagen (vlambeer, if anyone knows them). 15 year old me responded the most inane things to their posts, but it exposed me to work ethics, communities, and possibilities in the computing world I never would have found growing up in Kentucky. I taught…

> vlambeer, if anyone knows them

I absolutely love their "art of screenshake" lecture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJdEqssNZ-U

It really shows how there's a very high ceiling for polish and _feel_ when it comes to interactions. "Screenshake" is something that I'm sure a lot of people might look at and say: "oh, that would take 15 minutes to add", and if you're just talking about shaking the screen a bit, absolutely! But if you want to make the screenshake _really_ communicate a feeling and an emotion, there's so much more you can do.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

#503
post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile others have been warning about his lunacy for years and up till recently have faced nothing but backlash from his internet armies. It just feels so good to see comments like yours. It's out in the open now, everyone now knows he is a greedy charlatan.

>everyone now knows he is a greedy charlatan. I think he's good at the engineering stuff. It's just social media is not really his forte. I wouldn't go for the TSLA short myself.

Don't have much of an opnion on him being good at the engineering stuff or not, and not saying I would bet on it, but I could see the logic in shorting TSLA either way, he's distracted, it seems possible that Tesla's customers overlap with twitter users/left-leaning people enough to cause trouble, him getting involved in the first place could be a sign that his judgement has got worse for some reason.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

#504
post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think OF is even banned, though a lot of them use Linktree which is.

yeah sort of curious what they do with them. it’s the most direct violation of this rule, but maybe they pull too much engagement to get rid of entirely.

OF isn't exactly a directly competitor with twitter, since they don't currently have a way (that I know of) to post content people have to pay to view, especially pictures/videos, and I doubt they want to get into it with adult content since payment providers tend to get iffy on that sort of thing.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

#505
post #76

Wow. PG did not even post any links, he pretty much just said "I have a Mastodon account." And just like that, banned. Looks like now you're not allowed to so much as mention that you use other websites on the internet besides Twitter.

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From the "Twitter Files", the platform reporting system has a list of accounts, and those accounts can have different levels of "approval" for moderation. For example, any moderation action taken on Libs of Tik Tok would require approval from a committee [1]. Larger, more popular accounts require more eyes as they're likely to garner more "false" reports.

All of this is to say that there are three likely scenarios:

1. For whatever reason (e.g. staffing, technical problems, lack of training), PG's account didn't get treated with the scrutiny it deserved.

2. A report on PG's account went up the chain, landed in front of a trained moderation team, and they banned him against Musk's wishes (presumably unintentionally).

3. Musk desired his ban.

If it was a random tech CEO, I think Scenario 2 would be most likely. Given the recent technical issues with Twitter, their employee turnover, and Musk's recent actions towards "former allies" that spoke out against him, I think it's actually a toss-up.

[1] https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601018810495995904

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

#507
post #450

If it isn't obvious this is the new norm for Twitter. Elon is making up the rules as he goes and ruling like a pissed off insecure reddit mod. I don't buy into all the freedom of speech rhetoric he has been spewing. This is about control and fueling his ego. It is a real shame because I wanted to continue using Twitter like I always have, but I don't think that will be possible.

> I don't buy into all the freedom of speech rhetoric he has been spewing. I think what you meant was you didn't buy into it, and this is proving your point of view. He's gone from freedom of speech absolutionist to defining the limits of freedom of speech by whether you discuss social interactions on other websites. It isn't as simple as a one-dimensional scale between freedom of speech absolutism and not, and the f…

> He's gone from freedom of speech absolutionist to defining the limits of freedom of speech by whether you discuss social interactions on other websites.

I don't know how you can say that with a straight face. This is only a small bit of his capricious rules. Earlier this week it was publicly available information about flights, now it's even indirect mentions of social media competition, what happens next week if he decides that no one should talk about other electric cars? It would be entirely in character for his actions to date. Users now have to anticipate that there is going to be a day where the rules change in such a way they earn a retroactive ban. That's not freedom of speech, that's just a tyrant who hasn't come for YOUR speech yet. I don't know why anyone would stay invested in this platform.

If there was any sort of real framework in place there would be a set list in place instead of a flood of randomly generated rules that are just "whatever is ticking Elon off today", and there wouldn't be popularity contests to see if content gets restored.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

#509

This is amazing. He basically said, he'd return if elon comes around, and wishes him the best. And just said "my mastodon is on my website". No violation of those new "TOS" of any kind. https://mas.to/@paulg seems to have been hugged to death already :)

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Yeah, I can't see how "I can't post my handle here so go to my website to find it" isn't an effort to bypass restrictions. That doesn't mean that what Musk is doing is good, or that trying to bypass restrictions is bad. But there's this strange trend recently where in order to be part of one "side," you have to start uncritically repeating anything that looks good for your side, or else you'll be accused of shilling for the enemy side. It's not impossible to think that these new rules are stupid, attempting to bypass them is fine, but that also "I can't type my handle here so go to this other website and find it" is clearly an attempt to bypass them.

And these beliefs become opportunistic and change as soon as its convenient. Just a few hours ago when the promotion was first announced, most people were claiming that it was extremely expansive and that John Carmack could get banned for crossposting (which the terms say is allowed). People who disagreed were downvoted. Now that someone has been banned, the comments start claiming it's _not_ expansive, and people who disagree are getting downvoted.

That's one thing that makes it hard to follow this saga. It seems like Musk is doing pretty bad things, but there's so much hyperbole and inconsistency coming from his loudest critics that it's hard to have a grounded discussion on the matter.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

#510
The guy who said he'll be the champion of free speech is now banning even the mention of other social networks.

Imagine setting yourself such virtuous goal, but not 6 weeks later ending up with your own Great Firewall of China.

Journalists banned for mentioning a suspended account, pg banned for mentioning his website, banning every mention of other social networks. And that's a recap of just the last 72 hours.

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