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Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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> asperger's syndrome Elon Musk just _pretends_ to have Asperger's. I know plenty of people on the spectrum, they aren't assholes. There's also the "Ye's bipolar disorder" effect. Its a challenge I'm sure to have it, but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. We can criticize Ye's anti-semetism without making fun of his bipolar / mental illness. So even _IF_ Elon hada Aspe…

> but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. Obsessing over some socially unacceptable idea absolutely can be a manifestation of bipolar disorder for some people. Especially when one considers that bipolar can sometimes be associated with psychosis, and obsessive antisemitic/racist/etc thoughts are not uncommon in people with psychosis (famous example: Terry Davis, who I t…

Thanks for your help correcting a really common misconception about bipolar disorder.

People want to whitewash mental illness because mental illness can be scary and uncomfortable. There’s this concept of destigmatizing mental illness by pretending all sorts of bad behavior are somehow not associated with mental illness. This is often done to make people with minor mental illness feel less stigmatized but ironically can increase the stigma around people with more severe mental illness since now it’s not mental illness, they’re just a terrible terrible person.

Yes, psychosis absolutely can cause people to be antisemitic, racist, violent, etc. This should almost be obvious. But because it opens up difficult conversations about accountability, and because people with minor mental illness want sympathy without stigma, people like to pretend otherwise.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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> But ASD absolutely can make some people behave in a way which others perceive as being an “asshole”, so if he does have it, those behaviours could well in part be contributed to by it. Autistic people do things because they don't understand social norms. Sociopaths do things because they don't _care_ about social norms. There's a difference, and I can tell the difference. It is in a sociopath's best interest to pre…

ASD absolutely can make people care less about social norms, see for example https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198313/ (“Insensitivity to social reputation in autism”) ASD can be a mixture of both not understanding and not caring. Sociopathy is all about the later without any of the former.

Elon Musk is the CEO of a major corporation.

Sociopathy, is often pointed out as an advantage in that situation. You rise above others in the social ladder and punch down your competitors. And we're seeing this behavior right now as Elon Musk is utilizing his powers to try to silence his critics (Mastodon).

Autism on the other hand, is a disadvantage in most leadership roles.

When we consider Elon Musk's role in society (leading corporations), he is far more likely to be a sociopath, rather than autistic. When we look at his behavior (punching down on Mastodon), its closer to sociopathy.

When we consider Musk's behavior in the past few weeks, it has more similarities to Narcissistic collapse than anything else I've heard of.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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It has to first get a little more extreem. They have to not just fight but start killing. Look at Napster. Napster was attacked and eventually died. But napster also won. CD sales are dead and we all download/stream music online. Mastadon will soon be attacked directly. It will also probably die as napster: a first cassualty of a revolution. What matters are the long-term changes that survive.

Napster didn’t kill CD sales. iTunes/iPods did

Arguably, it was streaming that really killed CD sales.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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The audience for far left propagandists is much smaller than they’ve been telling you. They’ve been amplifying each other for years but as that infrastructure is taken away from them, they’ll head back to the margins where they belong. Like the far right trolls they aren’t too different from.

Far-left? On twitter? A site that famously stated that if they applied their rules equally, they'd have to ban almost all republicans, so they currently don't apply the rules to those? Twitter is a site where a statement as simple as ACAB, which is legally protected speech [See https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemit... ] would get you a ban. Twitter is as center-right as it gets. If you think tw…

I guess this depends on whether you think "transwomen aren't women" is a right-wing or centrist statement. By world standards twitter was far left, by USA standards it was left, by California standards or non-USA anglosphere standards it was centrist.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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The pivot from “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law”[1] to “I get to use censorship to kneecap a competitor because it’s my site now” was almost comically quick. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

What about the pivot from "This is a private company. Free speech doesn't apply" to "This is censorship of free speech"?

What about it?

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I have seen a bit of that but most including myself still hold the same opinion. A private silo is not a free speech zone. Twitter wasn’t before Elon and isn’t now and never will be. There’s layers of irony here. All the “libs” who were supposedly pro censorship ran off to the actual free speech zone. The Fediverse is almost uncensorable since you can hop instances or just run your own. There is a difference though.…

Individual fediverse nodes can implement whatever moderation policies they like, and are free to defederate from nodes whose policies they disagree with. So it's not really "uncensorable".

You're free to leave the node. That's not censorship, it's the node owner's own free speech rights.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

Mastodon, regardless of your server, can see and connect to everyone in the federation. The servers are just for how your name appears, local and moderation rules.

infosec.exchange can talk to and see content in mastodon.social

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I don't think Mastodon has any chance of overtaking Twitter. Here's how I would do it: Create basically a clone of Twitter, with the same UI and functionality. The goal would be to make transition as seamless as possible. I have no interest in learning about why Mastodon works, why it runs on multiple domains and getting used to its UI. I just want Twitter without Elon. Make it possible to easily transfer your data,…

Not that I care, but you could even copy the current twitter usernames to your new twitter, alongside all their public tweets and followers. So, when switching, a user wouldn't even need to add back their data or find back their previous followers.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

> I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. Personally, I think we should have this stuff regulated. We have power, mail, phones, internet, etc but most of the internet just isn't. Which seems really odd considering…

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Mastodon wouldn't have become so popular if it weren't for all these Elon actions. Elon is single-handedly leading a massive 'Streisand Marketing' campaign to sublime perfection.

It's true, I have no idea what Mastodon is, but if some bastard's trying to stop me finding out about it, I am going to go and find out about it right now!

I am pretty amazed by how good mastodon actually is. It's like Twitter without the noise. The website defaults to chronological order and very few people assault others with crazy radical comments, because there are no rage-promoting attention-grabbing algorithms in place.
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