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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by dragontamer »

skissane wrote: post #217
dragontamer wrote: post #181

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> asperger's syndrome Elon Musk just _pretends_ to have Asperger's. I know plenty of people on the spectrum, they aren't assholes. There's also the "Ye's bipolar disorder" effect. Its a challenge I'm sure to have it, but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. We can criticize Ye's anti-semetism without making fun of his bipolar / mental illness. So even _IF_ Elon hada Aspe…

> but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. Obsessing over some socially unacceptable idea absolutely can be a manifestation of bipolar disorder for some people. Especially when one considers that bipolar can sometimes be associated with psychosis, and obsessive antisemitic/racist/etc thoughts are not uncommon in people with psychosis (famous example: Terry Davis, who I t…

> But ASD absolutely can make some people behave in a way which others perceive as being an “asshole”, so if he does have it, those behaviours could well in part be contributed to by it.

Autistic people do things because they don't understand social norms.

Sociopaths do things because they don't _care_ about social norms.

There's a difference, and I can tell the difference. It is in a sociopath's best interest to pretend that they're autistic by the way.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by hk__2 »

323 wrote: post #88
codeflo wrote: post #39

I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

> But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic Jack linked to nostr which tries to solve some of these problems: https://nitter.it/jack/status/1603945963944480768 > The problem with Mastodon and similar programs: - User identities are attached to domain names controlled by third-parties; - Server owners can ban you, just like Twitter; Se…

https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr

> How do I find people to follow?

>

> First, you must know them and get their public key somehow

And here lies the main problem of most of these decentralized alternatives: how do you discover new content? One of the biggest innovation of Twitter was to be able to follow a hashtag-- say #SomeEvent2022 and you see all tweets using that hashtag, not only those of people you follow. This tends to be abused by spamers, but it’s a great way to follow what’s going on at large events or find stuff related to some topic.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

jl6 wrote: post #200
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #154

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Yes. However, I would argue that is a good thing. Musk has become a poster child one can easily point to and ask a question along the lines of 'is it reasonable for society to allow a person with resources near some nation-state levels to exist and not limit their ability to gather that amount of resources?' While in general I am very permissive and I hate imposition on my individual freedoms, I am increasingly convi…

> Musk has become a poster child one can easily point to and ask a question along the lines of 'is it reasonable for society to allow a person with resources near some nation-state levels to exist and not limit their ability to gather that amount of resources?' It’s an interesting question but if you’re hoping for a ‘no’ answer, Musk is a pretty mild test case. For all his failings, he hasn’t used his personal wealth…

Oh, I absolutely agree. That is why I opened with poster child qualification, because it seems most people need an appropriate scapegoat ( it is just easier to have one 'bad guy' to focus on as opposed to a menagerie of individuals with varying levels of liability and involvement ). We like to keep things simple.

The part that annoys me is ( as you indicated ) that Musk actually did bring into being some rather neat stuff ( Tesla comes to mind -- I hate that he made car into subscription, but I love that he moved the entire industry 20 years ahead ). I probably need to qualify that statement. Like with most people, I like some of the things he did. I dislike some of the things he did.

To your point, with corporation at least that power is somewhat distributed and each individual is a ( mild, but still ) check on the other. You raise a good point though and I wonder if billionaire class overshadowed pan-nationals for me for some reason.

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Post by koheripbal »

sandworm101 wrote: post #110
paulgb wrote: post #10

The pivot from “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law”[1] to “I get to use censorship to kneecap a competitor because it’s my site now” was almost comically quick. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

Lol. Kneecapping competitors is what billionaires do. You dont win capitalism by following all the rules.

It's what all people do when they have the ability.

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

rvz wrote: post #137
Geee wrote: post #75

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It's just easier and faster to implement a 'block-all' filter and refine it later if needed. The outrage is pretty hilarious given that less than 0.0001% of Twitter users even know what is Mastodon. No one cares that your precious Mastodon instance got filtered for a few days. No harm done.

> The outrage is pretty hilarious given that less than 0.0001% of Twitter users even know what is Mastodon. No one cares that your precious Mastodon instance got filtered for a few days. No harm done. There you go. The outrage is a storm in a tea cup and Twitter has done this before in the past [0] with only techies here having a tantrum about it. It is indeed hilarious to see this manufactured outrage as people stru…

So it’s ok to wholesale ban links to a competitor because the competitor is incompetent? You’ve jumped the shark.

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Post by hk__2 »

skissane wrote: post #172
ceejayoz wrote: post #140

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That server is swamped with registrations and had to pause them. Pick another.

This kind of friction at even getting started doesn’t bode well for Mastodon’s success - forcing people to pick a server: how do they choose? Go with the one everyone talks about? Closed to new signups. Pick some other one, run the risk that it closes (the owner gets bored, it becomes too much work, they find keeping it up and stable too hard). Or else that it gets “defederated”, and hence you get effectively banned,…

> This kind of friction at even getting started doesn’t bode well for Mastodon’s success - forcing people to pick a server: how do they choose?

This is exactly the same thing as creating an email address, and as far as I know no-one is complaining because they have to choose a server/domain to use.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #188
kybernetyk wrote: post #89

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> > There's something in the German soul that makes them great at building cars. But lacking in design. See how German supercars look plain vis-a-vis the Italian ones

Yeah, but the Italians are rubbish at buildings (source: I went to Rome and half the buildings are in ruins)

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #218
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #154

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Yes. However, I would argue that is a good thing. Musk has become a poster child one can easily point to and ask a question along the lines of 'is it reasonable for society to allow a person with resources near some nation-state levels to exist and not limit their ability to gather that amount of resources?' While in general I am very permissive and I hate imposition on my individual freedoms, I am increasingly convi…

When a game is rigged, you don't have to be competent to win

It is an easy and cynical statement. And I am saying that as a cynical person myself. The game is heavily tilted, but it is still a game with real winners and real losers.

I do not want to assume too much though. Would you be willing to elaborate a little? It is difficult to argue Musk is not competent at his various roles. Are you saying he was guaranteed to be where he is now?

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Post by black3r »

hgdfhgdhgfdh wrote: post #184
SilverBirch wrote: post #116

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I actually think this is quite a long way away from funny. We've been able to watch Elon Musk get radicalized in real time. That's quite worrying when you consider the amount of resources he has available to him. During the Trump years there was a lot of talk about how Trump is bad, but fundamentally incompetent. Well now we're going to see what extremism looks like when a far more competent person is orchestrating i…

How exactly is he radicalized? Because he suspended 7 journalists for 12-24 hours for doxxing the flight with his kid on it?

Even if we're calling it "doxxing", the only one who did the "doxxing" was Jack Sweeney, he banned journalists just for defending him.

And it's been more than 24 hours since he said "Accounts who doxxed my location will have their suspension lifted now."[0], but elonjet and sweeney's main account are still suspended though...

[0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603982891179839488

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