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Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

> fragments the community

I think this is a feature for most communities to be honest. Twitter is great at inter-networking, and a decent soap-box, but communities there are shallow and when your audience is "everyone on the platform" the chilling effect means only certain types of people are participating honestly and in full. There's probably some great communities that happen to be on twitter in spite of there being almost no open functionality that helps with that, but I bet they would all grow and foster better conversations if they added a discord server or something similar. Twitter is about as good as a blog comment section for long-term community building.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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People are on Twitter because of accounts like that, across the spectrum. It was the one place where you could find everyone, including politicians, organisations, journalists, experts, and random people with cool interests, and interact on a more or less equal basis. When enough of those leave it'll just become Truth Social or Parler. You might personally find that more fun and interesting, depending on your politic…

Musk could have kept twitter that universal platform and keeping an eye on political interference from within, knowing that right wing people would just trust him doing the right thing. But no, he wanted to make a big public outcry out of it, and he's now reaping the consequences.

Exactly. He couldn't stop his ego from taking over.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Agreed. And the fact they are blocking mastodon shows it must be impacting Twitter user numbers.

Or, just as likely, mastodon users are elon critics and thus hurt his feelings, which is a bannable offense. Thus mastodon cross-posting and reposting is a proxy for bannable offenses, and therefore a bannable offense.

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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post #39

I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

I just downloaded the app for a second time and tried to create an account. I failed.

I thought I'd try mastodon.social but couldn't find it on any of the lists so chose the search option. Found it but it wouldn't let me register an account. Go go site, there's a register button but rather than taking me to a signup form I just get a big wall of text about how I can't be a sexist or a transphobe. Fine, I won't. But why can't I register?

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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post #39

I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

You can export your data and move it to another server. If you're banned on Twitter, you're done. Also, complete failures like banning important stories, banning presidents, banning journalists etc. cannot happen on Mastodon the same way that it has happened countless of times on Twitter and will continue happening. Mastodon is obviously superior when it comes to the freedom of speech. Elon is afraid, because he know…

Note: if the server you're on is banned, you won't be able to move to a different server.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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post #39

I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

It's interesting that now, when it would be most relevant, discussion about a social media platform running on blockchain has all but disappeared.

If not now, then when?

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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post #39

I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

> But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic

Jack linked to nostr which tries to solve some of these problems: https://nitter.it/jack/status/1603945963944480768

> The problem with Mastodon and similar programs:

- User identities are attached to domain names controlled by third-parties;

- Server owners can ban you, just like Twitter; Server owners can also block other servers;

- Migration between servers is an afterthought and can only be accomplished if servers cooperate. It doesn't work in an adversarial environment (all followers are lost);

- There are no clear incentives to run servers, therefore they tend to be run by enthusiasts and people who want to have their name attached to a cool domain. Then, users are subject to the despotism of a single person, which is often worse than that of a big company like Twitter, and they can't migrate out;

- Since servers tend to be run amateurishly, they are often abandoned after a while — which is effectively the same as banning everybody;

- It doesn't make sense to have a ton of servers if updates from every server will have to be painfully pushed (and saved!) to a ton of other servers. This point is exacerbated by the fact that servers tend to exist in huge numbers, therefore more data has to be passed to more places more often;

- For the specific example of video sharing, ActivityPub enthusiasts realized it would be completely impossible to transmit video from server to server the way text notes are, so they decided to keep the video hosted only from the single instance where it was posted to, which is similar to the Nostr approach.

https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr#very-short-summary-o...

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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post #39

I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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> While Musk can no longer claim to be a free speech absolutist, What are the arguments for this?? Is it because he's blocking live trackers (from Mastodon or otherwise) for his airplane while he's an active target for political assasination or is there like.. an actual good reason/example for this statement?

I mean, yes, banning people and entire domains that reference a website which shares information that's literally broadcast by his aircraft to anyone with a suitable receiver including quite a few public websites sounds pretty contrary to being a free speech absolutist...
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